Monday, March 20, 2006

RM 30,000 to invest

I have went to the LB office at the HLB building before, just want to check out and meet a fellow LB member for appointment over there.

First thing is, you will notice it's a spanky, well designed office, with their products (lamps of course, and essential oil) behind individual glass cells on the wall. It seems like the whole place is a bit crowded, some purchases being made at the counter, a grand picture on the wall, which paints the lampe berger history, some ladies on the counter maning some Estebell products.

Then on the announcement wall, you could see a list of person who have made it to marquie, count...

Then on the ground floor itself, there's an appoitment room, enough to fit 100 persons, filled with round tables and chairs for each. First thing you will notice, is mostly guys and ladies over there (LB members) dress in black suits. Apparently it's quit a smart dressing. Not bad, I am impressed.

There's another bigger room/hall on the second floor, to accomodate more tables and chairs. A lot of them.

Seems like on each table, LB members are trying to sell the "marketing plan", once in awhile showing the product, but mostly explaining the intricacies of the marketing plan.

So, I get to meet a Marquie, who let me browse the catalog for awhile, but apparently, he can't really converse in English, so I was introduced to his downline, another lady. Business is business, she just jump right into the marketing plan, drawing a circle, and underneath below it 5 more circles (it's the marketing plan..stupid).

The she went on and on rattling on the benefits of the "marketing plan", how much money you can make from it. I don't really bother at that period, because I have already know that marketing plan is what they are trying to sell you. Not the lamp.

There's quite a lot of activities on the second floor, young people (I think most of them either still in college or just starting their careers) all around.

It bothers me, other MLM plan doesn't really bothers me. What bothers me, is how they influence you to fork up RM 30k to become Count. My brother (who joined), has an upline who is the same age, still in college, and had borrowed RM 30k from relatives, parents...., just to become Count at such a young age. Imagine a college guy investing RM30k into such a business. That answers the question why most uplines can afford luxuries.

Eventually my brother demanded the 30k from my father. I tried to talk him through, but apparently it seems like their programmes of brain washing do work well. I told him to start from the bottom (franchisee), but he is adamant to get the 30k.

Be carefull of joining in at Franchisee level RM 2345. It's just a lure before they urged you to upgrade to Count.

No, don't join. Go do some other real work. Not a bunch of people selling marketing plan and thinking the best life is shaking leg doing nothing, and can get tons of cash. Yes, you do, all because it's just a pyramid scheme, sucking all the cash in. Bottoms are the lossers.

Probably a Ferrari at their Prestigious DCHL Gala Dinner answers this phenomena.

http://www.dchl.com.my/English%20Version/NewsEvent_LBNews_Jan-Feb06.asp

33 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think u get it wrong, is on 4th floor not 2nd floor,

your bro stupid la, tell him, if 1 join than get money himself, dun go bother ur father, but kful ur bro borrow from big ear hole

but u really good in memory lo can remember so clearly,

for the brainwash thing, i found it to be disturbing, every history firgue who success also good in brainwash, such as hitlet, japan pm, stalin, hussien, president chan

and i found a prase in a book i read in ts, it said, those who success had been brainwash.

dunno if is true, but i really dun like the life i having in the big city of kl, 5 years ago, rm5 can hav a mealt, a drink and a buss home, now rm5 only can hav a mealt.

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dun live in kl la, daily traffic jam and so hot.

noneed heard from mlm co.

u oso should no if u 1 2 hav better life, is all urself, if u complain but still live in the life u hate, than it is u who r stupid.

10:07 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Hi,

Thanks for the comment, I just can recall its 2nd floor, but it's definitely in the building.

Sorry if mistaken.

Thanks

10:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u r welcome, which floor is not the issue, but if u discourage ur bro, i bet he will reli sad n dissap, kful when they happen usually bad outcome,

surely u dun1 ur bro to offend u when u hav ur own dream, let him join n suffer than he learn.

after 1 incident, ppl learn more

10:36 PM  
Anonymous LC said...

Oh my Gawd!!! Thank you for your website. I work in the same building as them , and all my colleagues hate these Lamp Berger ppl .

I have lost count of how many times i've heard an upline selling the marketing line to someone in the lift. Normally to a college kid or some poor looking lady. There goes the kid's college fun.. or the lady's life savings..

I fully support your work. Keep it up !!

10:59 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Hi Ic,

Welcome, since you work there, perhaps you can enlightened me which floor..haha

Regards

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Been there once. Must say, from what i observed, it looked more of a trend than a business. Majority of the agents look and sounded naive to the MLM business. Most are either fresh out of college or just starting out in their career.

I can understand why so many of them are tempted to part with RM30K. Its a way of buying their way up the ranks which gives them a false sense of achievement/authority. To some, its also something to boast about.

Sadly, what they don't realise is:
A) they don't have a business yet and are merely acting based on impulse. It would be naive to think by parting with RM30K, one owns a business which will provide them financial freedom.
B) the titles means nothing in reality on their resume. All they have is RM30K worth of goods lying around.
C) everyone in a MLM business is a CUSTOMER and BROKER to the company. Being a customer is fine if what the company offers are products which serves a need. Being a broker ain't bad too if one makes a fair proportion of the sales revenue. The question is: 1) how much can one make from bringing in 15K of sales (ie: Personal:2.5K + 5 recruits:12.5K = Total 15K), 2) what do we do with the 2.5K worth of products? BURN IT ALL?

MLM is not a bad business to be in, but the lack of understanding of what the MLM business is all about it can create losses of substantial amounts, which for some, will take years to recover.

11:50 PM  
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The fact that they are harassing the younger generation that even have problem feeding/sheltering themselves makes them a society pest.

Say no to PONZIS!!!

1:47 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hey thanks yowchuan.

Great links..:)

4:39 AM  
Anonymous Miowku said...

hey!.. u forgot to mention the 1 million dollar spa which is specially designed for do those aroma theraphie on the ground floor... lol

8:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

spa?? what is spa? =.=

need 1 mil also......what is that so expensive?

9:39 AM  
Blogger ***Aaron_GRYP*** said...

apperently the recuiters will try to bring their prospecting recuits to the spa for an R&R. How do i know this? My friend wanted to drag me in there. And he says it's FOC. Then again, i knew better than to enter the lair of evil.

10:02 AM  
Blogger ***Aaron_GRYP*** said...

apperently the recuiters will try to bring their prospecting recuits to the spa for an R&R. How do i know this? My friend wanted to drag me in there. And he says it's FOC. Then again, i knew better than to enter the lair of evil.

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol if is foc than go in lo, 1mil spa, near imposible to b foc, if he want you to pay u juz say u got no money, if ur mind strong enuff, scare wat?

8:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

estabell spa which used 1 million to built with exp pics and stuff.. estabell is another product under lampe berger..

2:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since the spa start biz and insist only serving female customers and claimed that the male customers will dirty the spa.

Start from March every Monday is serving male customers, wonder why a sudden change? NO business lo, ha ha. 1 mil spa.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous andrew said...

spa? fart... i can pay less and enjoy more in HC around KL hotels than getting pestered to join LB.

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2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dun promote unrelated things

2:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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12:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Everyone!!!,

I'm Ah Wai from MLM. Such a nice post from all of you :)

I admit sometimes the MLMers always use this kind of tactic of luring "potential" people into their business. Eg. N-stream, Synergy, Herbalife, Lampeberger, Amway, Diamond, eCosway, IMagic, NuSkin, CNI and etc.

I'm also ex-anti MLMer just like you all. Proud to be antiMLMers. "MLM is conbusiness" and "StudioTraffic is PONZI SCHEME!" Hehehe... :)

But, AT LAST i realise in this World of Events..."Capitalism"

EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE OR PEOPLE CON YOU...you choose!

Sami Vellu, politicians, MPSJ, MPPJ, MBI, dato, datuks, Thaksin, Arroyo, Suharto, *me* and etc also CONNING people $$$ only what...

I only take little con $$$ while the *people mentioned above* CON the "rakyat" & taxpayer's $$$ BIG TIME! SO what is the FUSS?

I con my lecturer before, i cheat on my exam before, i Ponteng class before, i cheated during SNOOKER, i cheated my fren before, hell i even con my GF before. Hahaha. What is the BIG FUSS?

As i say, EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE or PEOPLE CON YOU...Its a survival skill!

Its better for us, "the little guy with no $$$" to con little $$$, than "the BIG SHOT GOVERNMENT officials" to con the rakyat $$$.

RIght?

I'm DAMN sure the GOvernment DOn't MIND this little $$$ one.

AIyah, we group together as a group of "hardcore anti-lampeberger", then we charge those people who is also "anti-lampeberger" RM 100 each. Then, we also make LOTS of $$$.

Simple calculation,

RM 100 x 10,000 member (ANTI-LAMPEBERGER) = RM 1,000,000!!!!

Then, we BUY Ferrari and BMW to drive to Menara HLA, park at the FRONT and BURN them. This we show that we also can make $$$ ma!!!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 21st century, MLM is one of the business that we can earn more money beside you can not only get your dream but healthy, family, friendship and etc.

You all know our expected income cannot afford our expenses exclusive "BOSS". Petrol up to 30cents without notice. All employees stuck on this what should do with their life? Sold of their car and take LRT going to work more cheaper than you driven.

I realise we still have to driven but how to solve this problem thus we are empleeys?

Working part time as what? promoter, staying 4 hours next day suffer pain on leg. any p/t job that can offer? the answer is N O, NO!!!

Insurance and direct selling are the same business you know? Selling the product too but difference income and more complicated than direct selling.

Pls think carefuly why your mother want us working hard or study hard so that your mother can choose the best company or college to us then work hard on that you'll be success then. Choice is more important than you hardworking.

11:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what the heck are u yakking about? either u're for or against. make ur points clear.

yes, MLM can make money. but they didnt tell u it's only for the top ppl. simple as that. u wana climb to the top? sorry, the place is already taken. at best u can only go 2nd, 3rd or 4rth.

go ahead and live ur MLM dreams. chances are, ur life wont differ much from a non-believer anyway.

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To above anonymous. Pls go do some reading up on the various MLM schemes. The Sunshine-Unilevel, Matrix, Shared Resource, Binary.

Only in a Pyramid style, people at the top make most money. All the above mentioned are not. They have generation bonus caps at the 3rd to 8th level, depending on company. This makes it possible for late entrants to make more money than people above them as long as they're hard working.

In the Binary system (Usana), if you do $500000, your upline can't cash out on you unless he can balance his other business center with the same amount. I.e. If one business center $500k and the other, $2k, he can alone cash out profits corresponding to $2k which is the common denominator.

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8:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zeus (WPLBL) said.....

Everyone scarred after listen 30K do MLM, because they never have 30k.

They will regret lose 30k, but never regret lose opportunity earn 30k.

We also already brainwash by steven Yip, that he already over complaint with useless point.

STEVEN YIP TREAT US LIKE KINAGARDEN KIDS.

WANT SUCCESS LISTEN AND FOLLOW STEVEN YEAM.

WANT COMPLAINT AND DO USELESS THING CAN LISTEN AND FOLLOW STEVEN YIP.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me ask you a question guys; is whoever you know managed to generate money from this buz or not?

I heard that many qualified people (lecturers, docs, ..) have joined DCHL, do you think those people will be successful? According to your arguments, these guys have already contributed enough to the society and unfortunately they don't have money after long service.
Rewording for professionals is not fair which encouraged them to run after few more $$ here and there.

1:36 AM  
Anonymous didi said...

everyone in the world is in learning stage.let them do whatever they want.experience is the best teacher.
to share with you bout my experience,my friend introduced me to LB last 2 months.the plan is quite good and promising.in this world my dear friend,everybody want to do business.when u talk about business,there's only two chance lor.succeed or lost the dream.so,chase it if u wanna,do it if u have the courage,believe if u have the faith,and like me,i'm just enjoying the products so much!!!i'm a franchisee on part time basis,and i dun chase people to join me or whatsoever!!i enjoy the aromatherapy stuffz as i put it in my hall,my room,my office. it smells good tho'....:)
if u are lucky then u'll make it!i think it is actually what you are and well,hardwork determine success :)
and for me,i don't mind spending rm2500 as long as i bring back the products.and i'll definitely buying more oils as it is such worth the price!
good luck to people who wants to try LB,and for those who don't agree,just don't! :)

12:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everyone in the world is in learning stage.let them do whatever they want.experience is the best teacher.
to share with you bout my experience,my friend introduced me to LB last 2 months.the plan is quite good and promising.in this world my dear friend,everybody want to do business.when u talk about business,there's only two chance lor.succeed or lost the dream.so,chase it if u wanna,do it if u have the courage,believe if u have the faith,and like me,i'm just enjoying the products so much!!!i'm a franchisee on part time basis,and i dun chase people to join me or whatsoever!!i enjoy the aromatherapy stuffz as i put it in my hall,my room,my office. it smells good tho'....:)
if u are lucky then u'll make it!i think it is actually what you are and well,hardwork determine success :)
and for me,i don't mind spending rm2500 as long as i bring back the products.and i'll definitely buying more oils as it is such worth the price!
good luck to people who wants to try LB,and for those who don't agree,just don't! :)

12:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing comes for free!
Dun complaint so much lah.
Petrol and living style cost increase, then ur salary increase or not?
Y dun try the thing that u never try b4?If u think u r very rich already,then nvm lor~
If u r not the rich 1,pls dun say u r happy and enjoying what u have rite now.Because u r cheating urself!!!
Rite now money is not everything but everything is need money.
Even u want to study or working also need money.
So if u want to anti MLM,then better dun live in this world lor,cos every place is pyramid scheme.
In company,every employees,managers,supervisor and ceos r selling their times to their boss and help their boss to achieve their dreams and only get the 1-30k per month only.Then y dun say the boss is cheating?
Think more further,r u and ur families satisfy with the situation that u have now?

11:23 AM  

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