Friday, June 02, 2006

Pyramid Scheme MLM, Targeting undergraduate University Students

This news is from Sin Chew, translated by mindkiller6610 from Lowyat...big thanks to him.

It's very obvious that Lampe Berger is targeting our youth. This has to stop.

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Pyramid Scheme MLM, Targeting undergraduate University Students
updated: 2006-05-27 10:05:23 MYT

FEEDBACK 1

Regarding those pyramid direct sales / MLM plans, Mr. Su says that many peoples have tried to convince him many times to join them, but Mr. Su has refused to do so. Mr. Su is currently a year-3 university student. He is working as a trainee in one company located at Skudai. He still left 1 more year to graduate.

Mr. Su commented that he realizes that Direct Selling / MLM agents are focusing on undergraduate and just graduated university student. This group of direct selling agents mostly appears at one restaurant in Taman Nusa Bestari, Skudai and their HQ is inside an office complex at Taman Pelangi, Johor Bahru.

Mr. Su disclosed that there are many undergraduate students from Mr. Su’s university have joined the pyramid direct selling / MLM plans.

Regarding the technique used by those agents, he pointed out that these agents will come together with their Uplines, by driving a luxury car, wearing branded clothes to approach those who are new in society. Agents will convince those people by using themselves as examples on how they get rich after joining the direct selling plans.

RM 2345 required as membership fees

Mr. Su indicated, to join this pyramid direct selling / MLM plans, you need to pay RM2345 membership fees. After that, you will become a level-1 agent. You will get a set of fragrance and perfumes products.

“If a level-1 agent wants to upgrade himself to level-2, he needs to pay another RM30000+ . If he wants to upgrade to level-3, need to pay around RM50000.” Mr. Su added.

He advised to those who are new in society not to get convinced easily, because stories and examples on getting rich after joining direct selling / MLM can be created and faked easily.

FEEDBACK 2

Family members strongly against !!
19-year-old nephew is under the trap !!

Mr. Tan, who stays in Kluang, indicated, that his 19-year-old nephew has paid around RM2000 to enter the pyramid direct selling / MLM business and eventually almost has to pay another RM30000+.

Mr. Tan says, his nephew didn’t pay another RM30000+ after family strongly against it and advise him, and has read in newspaper regarding the news of cheating and conning in pyramid direct selling / MLM business.

Spreaded to Kluang Baru

He disclosed that the pyramid direct selling / MLM business has spreaded to Kluang Baru. These agents are focusing on secondary school students or those who are just graduated not long ago and new in society.

He pointed out;

first, the Uplines will tell those new members (level-1) to recruit another 5 people to join into this direct selling business.

After that, these Uplines will tell those level-1 members that if they want to upgrade themselves to Level-2 by selling products is very difficult.

Then the Uplines will convince the victims by telling them after they have invested another RM30000+, they can get earnings without working. They will be upgraded to Level-2, and will be able to get commission from their 5 downlines directly.
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25 Comments:

Anonymous Jack lim said...

45k.1)can let me watch every movies in cinema for next 20 years.2)can support my Meal in next 10 years without job.3)can let me get a degree4)can let me drink starbuck everyday for the nex 10 years5)can let me buy 200++ aircon to purify my house's air-6)why i need to throw money into SYN and yet become a slave to SYeten f.ck mother yeam?-earn money for him.7)BMW??-i can drive bmw for 1 year- but wats the point?8)

1:45 AM  
Blogger Dexter said...

I replied this message in a forum and wish to share it here:

[quote=Duke Slayer,Jun 5 2006, 03:30 AM]I did not invest any money, because she invested in count, she has RM30K of goods which she can open 15 franchisee.

My wife open a franchise for me but did not sold RM2345 of goods to me.

If later on if she decide for refund(which she wont), RM2345 used to sign me as franchisee is not refundable.
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I suggest you MUST make your wife understand how this business works before BOTH of you lost all your friends and reputation with them.

All the training and sharing they provide only teach them HOW TO DO the business but NOT the PROBLEMS that will follow it.

I am sure you realise by now hardly any customers will buy just the products if not because of the marketing plan. Even if those products are offered to customers at 40% discounts, people will not buy because they are simply not practical to use and they are not pure aromatherapy products and essential oils as claimed. Even in Europe and US where they can afford a higher price, yet their retail prices are lower than Malaysia's at 40% dicounts. What I mean is if the Europeans and Americans will not buy much of it at such prices even after 100 years, do you think Malaysians will buy ?

In simple words, just ask yourself and your wife this simple question;
"Will you buy these products to use at 40% prices if NOT for the HOPE of recruiting or selling to make money ?" If you need to think before you answer it, you know it is not a good business.

What I am trying to say for the above is:
a) In order for your wife to make money, she need to bring in others with the same idea of buying HOPE. Which means when she make money, others will have to lose money. When those others can make money, more and more others will lose money. So what's the chance ?? It's getting smaller and smaller by the days.
Sure they will brainwash by telling you the world is very big but the fact is no matter how big, more people will lose money than those who can make.

b) They only show and tell you those others that make money, have you ever wondered why they don't show you those that lost, resigned, refunded or left ??

c) Don't forget the fact that this is not a retail business where customers and prospects walk in volunteerly. In MLM, your prospects and downlines are your own friends, how will they feel about you and your wife if they lost money and to realise it one day ? They will blame you first, not the Company or the foreigners or other uplines.

d) Do you realise that those are just fragrance or perfumery products(as mentioned in the French factory and many US websites ? Only the DCHL MLM claimed it as aromatherapy and essential oils in their catalogues. This showed how dishonest they are.

e)HK TVBS already showed a program publicly with evidence that they made false claims on the products. Yes, the Company defended by ONLY explaining to their network that HK TVBS already apologised. Will you believe it ? Do you think they will not show any evidence or proof of apology if they have it ?

In short, NO matter how a MLM Company or any Business try to convince or explain, just remember, NEVER NEVER sell any product IF you do not think it is value for money. If you know very well that people will not buy the products for its value BUT only for the opportrunity, you must be prepared that they will be more losers and victims eventually.

2 last questions to you and anyone in such business:

a) Are you prepared to lose your reputation eventually ? Remember that the more money you make means the more victims in your network.

b) Do you have any conscience ? If people joined without understanding the business, they are innocent. If they still carry on after understanding it, they are neither stupid or stubborn. They are simply unethical and unscrupulous people without any conscience for others. After all, only birds of the same feathers can
flock together.

Those info I put above should be enough for anyone to understand the true picture. I advise you and your wife to quit now by just losing 10% and take it as a lesson and earned all the respect back from the board people here as well as your friends who knew you are in it. Before it is too late.

Regards.

P/s. I hope my message don't hurt you or anyone. I just wish to help.

Those who wish to seek help for refund or understand the business more may check these blogs at blogspot:

antilampeberger, lampebergerhelp, lampebergertruth and stopmlmscams(mine).

9:54 PM  
Anonymous Angelicrollzz said...

You know why they are so aggresive in targeting the undergraduate students? Because they thought students are so naive enough to be cheated by them! Bloody hell.. they turned 2 of my used-to-be-best buddy into monsters! Both of them are just so naive and stupid to believe in everything SYN offered. Gosh..They are not even human now. Beleive me. Frankly speaking, i'm not an anti-MLM person. I respect their way of living and working and i hope they do respect ours too. But the problem with this SYN thingy of LB, is that they are so fcuking annoyingly, keep getting on my nerves. I'm definately, formally registered as an anti-LB now! I'm happy with my life even thou i almost end up penniless each month. What's with that Billionaires’ dream and "enjoy your whole life without working with LB" thingy? That's so bullshit and fcuking pathetic. Who cares anyway? Duh..i'm still happy with my life. That's what really matters! This is reality man...continue with your childish, stupid and fcuking idea and stop bugging me. Since you don't respect us and who we want to live as, then we won't be respecting yours as well. I promise i'm going to beat the shit out of them if they dare to touch me, my family or my frens again! Stay away from my life all you mutherfcukers. Enough said.

2:02 AM  
Anonymous Angelicrollzz said...

By the way, please bare with my rude and offensive comments earlier on. For those who are under 18, please mind my words and i beg your pardon. =p
i was too pissed! sorry yea =)

2:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just heard from a friend that LB's training is as strong as AMWAY. A friend of his failed to continue his business in LB(no need to give reasons, those who are not in LB knows best),give up and go back to work BUT insisted that the Company, marketing plan and products are all very good. Just that he is not suitable for MLM.
Oh, how stupid !!
Everyone is suitable for MLM as long as he knows more than 2 or 3 people and if the Company and products are good and sellable.

6:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ZEUS SAID...

WHEN CAN MANAGE THEIR TIME, STUDENT ENCOURAGE GO INTO MLM BECAUSE:

1) NOT 24 HOUR STUDY.
2) LEARN COMM AND LEAD SKILL
3) EARN MONEY
4) ABSORB MORE KNOWLEDGE.

BUT BECAREFUL, MUST CHOOSE THE LEGAL MLM, WHICH ALREADY REGISTER.

AS THEY LEGAL, THEN IS CAN JOIN, CHOOSE THE SUITABLE MLM.

1:36 AM  
Anonymous TEH POWAH said...

So where do student's fork out RM2,000 to RM45,000?

From you? Obviously not! From their parent's hard earned money! If a student doesn't have the money it is downright unethical, no, evil even, to ask them to get the money from their parents, if not worse from their friends.

Their parent's send them to further their studies and not to be brain-washed and join the cult of SYN!

9:06 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

ZEUS: U join LB is bcos u r "DAI B"

ur parents aslo "DAI B" as well bcos of trusting SYN!

11:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

b3rnard7 said...
b3rnard7: U anti LB is bcos u r "DAI B"

ur parents aslo "DAI B" as well bcos of trusting SYN! (steven yip network)

hahahah

12:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear teh poh wah,

24 hours study meh, i asked u, when they got time free, they do what???

do nothing, right?

how about invest 2500, and start a own business?

is it ok for student?

they also can passed the exam, take a good result, but they also can earn pocket money, and learn many thing that lecture didnt tell u.

lecture tell u how be a good employee, but didnt tell u why been employee, right?

teh pohwah, used ur brain think deeply? is it 2500 really important for u? is yes, is mean u never earn 2500 in ur life. if not, why so crazy about 2500.

when talk about reputation, i asked u is it DCHL illegal??? is is system illegal, police kacau or not?? used ur brain think again.

if answer not? why u still anti?? because ur not a member or u terminate by DCHL???

12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear dexter,

actually, i didnt join in LB, but just my friend do LB and all already becomes marquis. but i think ur point all bullshit because simple only, ur barain still 20 years passed away.

if u talk about this point in front me, i will sweap u with bloom, because i not a LB member, i also disagree ur point.

Used ur brain..........open ur mind

1:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

b3rnard7

b for bastard
3 for 30k
r for rough
nard for nothing
7 for years old

b3rnard7 = useless
big mouth bastard talk about 30k negative ver rough with steven yip, but nothing do and can not join because just 7 years old and study standard 2 in chinnese school always said "REAL PAI KAH CHAI"

but her mother said" born a cha siu better born a b3rnard7"

pitty steven yip gang

4:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear jack lim,

here is ur financial planning

u also can suck steven yip ass for free...(entertaintment)-RM0

U can eat rubbish with pussy cat in rubbish can (eat)-RM0

u can drink sungai gombak water (Drink) -RM0

u can wear leaf (cloth) -RM0

u can stay in hotel lobby -RM0

u can watch steven yip and b3rnard7 Asss film (entertaintment) - RM0

so total spend per month is RM0

u can keep ur RM30K in biscuit can (take from rubbish also)

wah.....

4:24 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

anonymous and zeus: student is not 24 hour study,but once they join DCHL....they 24 hours do LB which makes them drop study and become useless and sampah masyarakat!

Lecturer also didn't ask u to join DCHL,why u 1 2 join? Bcos u r been mind control by STeven Yeam!

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear b3rnard7...

why so funny ur name, is it ur mother ass name?

10:59 AM  
Anonymous TEH POWAH said...

I can afford 2500 easily.

Answer the question.

Where is an average student from an average family going to find 2500.

I know you come from a rich family. You can afford 2500. How about normal people here?

Don't assume anything about me you cultist. I know more about your cult than you think.

11:06 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Anonymous: my name is much better than urs,cos ur name is a fucking bastard name,otherwise why u r so scared to post it here....maybe u r born after ur mom sleep with many men and dun know which 1 is ur dad rite? No wonder la,ur mom also can't give u a name at all...sleep with many men summore.Can't give u a proper name and suranme at all...no wonder u r call anonymous.Sigh!

1:19 AM  
Anonymous ZEUS said...

BERNARD: WAH U AND WHOSE TAT, WHAT HAPPEN TO U TWO??

6:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sohai zeus like cheated sohai money want to rent cibai to gongkek.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous andy said...

i dont know what the wrong of your guys. i am the victim. i invest thousand. and i try to bring people out. a lot of there upline say they will teach me but in fact thry are just scolding me because i cant get even one people in. but fortunately, i m not getting any of my fren in as i dont harm anyone. initially, they told me that the stock can be refund within days but during the day they calculate the stock for me, they take all the "unreturnable stock" that they called signature pieces that they said the value will be increase. but now nobody look after me as i am weak and have less convincing power. i am only years old, that is all my saving that initially i want to use to get married. fortunately, my gf willing to restart everything with me and i am using only my own money that i save for 5 years after i graduated from u. i am not borrowing any money from anyone. this is the most fortunate one. le suppoerter, if you guys is so sincere that you only want to help people, ask your steven yeam or your uplines especially the dukes to repay back the money to those people that cant success la. initially, uplines ask me to trust them wat, they will definite help me to succeed and get better life wat. these LB people give a empty dream to people especially the young people and actually this is the batch of people who destroy their d/line and their fren. coa after this, their need to take times to recover you know. k is not the small sum especially i save for 5 years and i am very hardworking people. maybe, lb suppoerter will just told me that you join the wrong team or you got the wrong upline bla bla bla. but initially, you are the one who told me that SYN is a family and this is wat your duke winnie tell me. i am not trying to scold anyone here coz me myself need to bear my own responsibility as i make the own decision to join this business but please dont talk so proud that you guys is really good and seems doing nothing wrong to any of your d/lines or ypur fren. i am the immediate victim that i nearly lost my job and gf,she nly one that will support me. today, you are pruodly to tell everyone that you make big money and you drive big car, but please ask back yourself sincerely that is that really that 100% of your organisation is making money now or at least 60%. i goubt the answer. i am sorry that if my word hurt you but this is nearly wat i feel

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm neutral on this issue...but i wanna say something...show ur face so-called Steven Yip...y r u hiding it?...for those who r doing the biz n succeed...pls b humble a bit la...those anti...also b humble la...u guys arguing this kind of stuffs like it raped ur mom...nobody is losing anything rite?...jus mind ur own biz la...

11:31 AM  
Blogger max said...

i'm neutral on this issue...but i wanna say something...show ur face so-called Steven Yip...y r u hiding it?...for those who r doing the biz n succeed...pls b humble a bit la...those anti...also b humble la...u guys arguing this kind of stuffs like it raped ur mom...nobody is losing anything rite?...jus mind ur own biz la...

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi steven ... i had read tru everything and kinda pitty you and your bro ..... jus curious .. how you face your brother everyday at home or you just act like a good bro in front of him and back stepping him over here .. and after you bring down SYN ...whats next?

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10:37 AM  
Anonymous Member said...

Every business has limits.
Some reache limits early, some reach later.
Some have limits on sales side as the market isn't big enough, some have on the supply side with logistics, resources etc.

If and when you venture into a business you need to consider CAN YOU make this work FOR YOU.

Many people are just to greedy and build up unrealistic expectations. Secondly they do not realise that there is effort behing success.
That is why winning the lotter isn't called success. It taked WORK.

7:13 PM  

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