Monday, March 27, 2006

Cheap Lamps

Try to search for some lampe berger lamps. It's not as expensive as you think. For example, we got this:

Lampe Berger Odine Green: (Cheapest lamp I can find)


Online Store: USD 35.20 (RM 133.76)

DCHL retail price: RM 222.00




And one of the signature lamps (expensive range)

Online Store: USD 698 (RM 2652.40)

DCHL Retail price: RM 7040.00




Online prices are from http://www.mywood-n-treasures.com

Now, the point is, why would I buy from DCHL, when I could get it from online far more cheaper? Most have already questioned why the dual pricing exist. Isn't it a bit funny when you ask people to sell lamps, and you ask them to sell at ridiculously expensive price?

But probably LB members should be more afraid on this issue. First of all, lampe berger products are a bit new to the market. Asians probably think, why should I need one. Secondly, the expensive pricing is not going to attract lots of buyers.

Furthermore, the refill is a bit expensive. Refill is going to make up most of the recurring business. If you have too expensive refill, people are just going to stop using it.

If you really need a lampe berger lamp, try buying online. You can save a couple of bucks.

54 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bro,
no point for you to point out the different pricing for lampe berger products... can't you see it's so clear that in m'sia, the 'actual' business is getting more people and spinning the money more and more? the product doesn't matter anymore...so whoever joining LB most likely won't sell a single product for the rest of their 'career'...

5:14 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

Right. Firstly we understand that those who market Lampe Berger are all out of greed and the pyramid schemes and NOT the product values, so who cares ??

We should STOP the customers, not the greedy distrubutors.

More important to let people understand that Lampe Berger are just fragrance products in the factory and US websites, NOT aromatheraphy or essential oils as claimed by the MLM.

5:41 AM  
Anonymous hisham said...

hear hear! they could be selling lamb burgers - as long as they recruit, they get to suck other peoples money into the 'business'

9:19 AM  
Blogger ***Aaron_GRYP*** said...

1 word.. or perhaps a phrase...

PONZI SCAM!!!

9:20 AM  
Anonymous mr dumpy idiot head said...

do u make a company wiv a kind heart of helping the poor and building up a society full of harmony and peacefulness?

tell me when u do that, coz i will like to promote it.

but after u doing so, u got abit more money, u will donate wivout a name or wiv a name so that more ppl no the existence of u?

...................................

wat so great of u to stop a product in a free market(v r not)
it is the customer who decide so u can onli shout out that the product is useless, while the other side making money even u shout so long.

if it reli that bad, dun worry, no1 will buy it again.wiv the amount of member they got not, it takes less than 2 years to c the result.

10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mercedes are so much cheaper in Germany. Why don't you go over to C&C or any other car dealers and lodge a complain about "why are they so over priced in M'sia"?
Tsk tsk such narrow minded people.

12:12 PM  
Anonymous keepitup said...

to the anonymous who blurted narrow mindedness, please don't post such laughable comments like what you've just did.

how can you compare car's prices in Malaysia with the lamps' prices? cars have several tax structures and it is m'sia's automotive policy that is bloating the prices of foreign cars.

you will never know how stupid someone is until they open their mouth.

btw, stevenyipnetwork, great job. your blog is interesting, and i've been lurking around for a while. this is my first comment. cheers

6:58 PM  
Anonymous Jefferson Young said...

Dear Anonymous,

Please have your ground when you are trying to hit us back.

The reason why Mercedez is so expensive here is that our Government enforce about 200% tax for each car. Hence it increases it selling price and the we know that if we are going for imports then this is what we need to pay.

But for that "LAMP", did our government apply taxes for 200% or more? If yes I dont mind paying the extra.

The bottomline is that you are diluted by these people. Why would you want to pay more for a product which has the same brand and quality??

It is understood that people go for LV is because of the brand, that is why it is so expensive. Now, will you buy a LV at RM2k if you can cheaper yet authentic LV?? It has happen even now, most stewardess will go to Paris to get their LVs if they have a chance becuase is cheap.

And you are paying for more?? your arguement doesnt have any strong ground at all. Maybe you are rich, but if taht is the case is everyone as rich as you. :)

7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Keepitup and Jefferson,
I beg to differ. You wanna talk about facts and COMPARISON?. What's wrong with comparing with Mercedes? Are you disagreeing that my statement is true? Mercedes is definitely CHEAPER in other country and here you guys are complaining about a Lamp? The fact is you guys cannot simply compare with another nation because it's pricing structure is entirely DIFFERENT. Open your eyes, not only cars but other products too have hike up their prices because of many distributions level and also A&P. Sure products is cheap there, are you going to fly there all the time to purchase it? Unless you get to travel free each time to France, Europe and USA of course (not to mention the airlines won't allow you to carry more than certain quantity) :)
So anyway Keepitup with such brain-dead comment of yours. You guys cracked me up. LOL

7:56 PM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

Anonymous,

I don't get what you are even trying to reach.

You said,

"You wanna talk about facts and COMPARISON?. What's wrong with comparing with Mercedes? Are you disagreeing that my statement is true?"

Your statement? Of course it is cheaper oversea.. because of our local govt imposing 200% tax.. WHY NOT CHEAPER OVERSEA?

and then you said,

"The fact is you guys cannot simply compare with another nation because it's pricing structure is entirely DIFFERENT"

Isn't it what has Keepitup and Jefferson said that there is a difference and it is our local govt's regulation?

It is the real nature of business my dear friend that there is quite a distribution level to go throught.

The fact that SOME Direct Selling Companies in Malaysia are being run as a pyramid scheme in disguise.
Try to disagree and I throw you facts. Visit my blog for more info, and well.. I wish you all the best..

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Jefferson Young said...

Dear anonymous,

Just face it that DCHL has the sole distributorship for LB in ASIA and they are inheriting a MLM/pyramid structure.

When I buy a Mercedez Im being tax by government and I cannot change that but if there is a way for my to seek/get cheaper Mercedez I would.

For LB is different, I get to choose. If I purchase online it is dirt cheap compare to DCHL price but if the price comes to the same then I would buy it from DCHL.

Why pay more? Will you pay USD 0.80 for a can of COKE?

If you think they are legit, why cant they sell it at the same price or slightly higher than the selling price?? We are talking about 30-200% increment from the retail price.

I wonder how much is the cost price, eh?

8:36 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Anyone wants to lobby for NAP?

National Aromatheraphy Policy.

DCHL could probably get all the APs.

Thank You

8:57 PM  
Anonymous Ken said...

Well, frankly speaking. I think the price is hiked up because of the system itself. the payout for commisions for sales itself. Infact, all network marketing/multi level marketing/direct sales does this. Not just LB. In any sales activity, it is quite normal to gain commision from sales. Because the price of a product has already included in the sales & commision payout.

In addition,as far as LB is concern. The price are much more higher than other countries because they are directly importing it from france. Meaning higher logistic cost. and because of the nature of the product (flameable ), highly specialized compartments for shipping it is used . Thus means more money going for logistics.

comparing it to mercedes? hmm .. i heard that line before. it doesn't make sense. when the import duty of imported car is nearly 300% (But prices of car may be slightly cheaper seeing from the recent developments). I think anonymous has been told to say it that way by their upline. My suggestion is you learn a little bit more about the business and find out the facts first.

9:19 PM  
Anonymous mr dumpy idiot head said...

strangely y no1 reply me de, no answer for my question?

actually in ur post the 1st lamp is ok, coz after u add in the travel fees or shipping fees and time, the price is considerable, but the 2nd lamp... i think royalties may buy it, still buying 1 lamp like that is almost same profit for selling cheap lamp for many.

but i ask again, if u monopoly the industry will u lower the product price, is actually logic for them to higher the price, c wat our beloved oil company u no.

some said our oil price r considerablely low compare to others country, but u must no that our SALARY also considerablely low compare to others country.

anyway the 2nd lamp... reli high price, but sure there will ppl buy it, not me la ofcoz

9:23 PM  
Anonymous Jefferson Young said...

Hi Ken,

I was laughing my ass off when i read anonymous comments. That is one of a drawback for recruiting young teens.

Oh well....

10:33 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Anonymous: I can buy LB lamps thru online with cheaper price than DCHL in malaysia.

For the mercedes benz,can I buy it online?U think about it...even I can buy it,when the car comes here I also kena tax as well.But the LB lamp I buy thru on9 is a fixed price as stated on9.

Ken: I totally agree wif u.DCHL mark up the price higher is for the comission for the uplines.

And also 1 thing,when there is a new LB member join they also "sell" the lamps to them already.If u say they sell their marketing plan is true also,but after they 'collect' the membership fee from the new recruit,the upline already 'deliver' the lamps(9-10 lamps if im not mistaken) to them already

5:04 AM  
Anonymous mr dumpy idiot head said...

bad thing about anonymous is u dunno who talking to who, oh well, everyone also believe i m dump n idiot so no1 willing to answer me, so sad la

for me, i reli dun go buy the lb lamp, but if a cup sell rm 1 which here sell rm 50, i will not waste my time to wait for the shipping, i will not buy at all, but if i reli like the cup, i will buy it here, no waiting.

7:58 AM  
Blogger T.Ryousuke said...

hai there everyone~~ I'm new here, n I dun mind telling that I am from SYN too... but I choose to put it aside first since that I had sth more important for me to do... (study~~ppl always have a second choice, right??)

I just want to say that I think all of u guys had mistaken the target~~ Lampe Berger is juz a brand name of a fragnance in France... from all u guys' posting arent u all just anti'ing the marketing plan?? then the target should b SYN or DCHL, am I right??

P/S : just to post my opinions n hope u all dun mind~~ my english wasn't good enuff so forgive me if I "said" anything wrong...

11:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi.. I think u guys very funny.. because u guys don study well about them and you guys come n complain the thing.. When u are not wearing the shoes u wont know that.. how does it feel when u wearing the shoes . U said People is pyramid scheme.. show the details . I know u guys talking about the mlm-thetruth this website.. but one thing do they have permission to posted and said people is pyramid scheme ? Look at the URL is only .COM.. not .ORG if they are organization they can said that.. but they are not.. today whoever who unsuccess on LB or what they can register the URL just RM 150.00 u can get the thing. Another thing , Lamp u can get frm Oversea.. u don know that when u buy more you will been tax by malaysia custom. Use your brain and check it out 1st ask them custom side.. don simply judge a book with a cover only . You didnt drove BMW b4 how u know that the handling is nice ? So u didnt do LB b4 please don said LB is SCAM .. IF all is SCAM wont have so many businessman are inside they.. they are stupid ? No .. U don listen to other people telling u that.. Seen By Your OWN EYES . If today you friend tell u it is a scam next time u no money u lend from your friend will them Lend you said..oh Nvm BROTHER i will lend u one... But u WAIT LONG LONG also don have la.. Everything u must work out By Yourself ..

U CANT EAT THE GRAPE PLEASE DON SAID THE GRAPE TASTE SOUR . EVEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE MARKETING PLAN BUT U GOT NOT BALLS TO DO THEN DON SAID IS SCAM . THINK B4 U SAID SOMETHING . IF U DO SO MUCH JUST TO TELL THEM IT IS A SCAM . HOW ABOUT THOSE WHO SUCCESS ??? THINK IT CAREFULLY >

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Ken said...

My god, the level of english above is so poor. I don't understand a fcuk what his trying to tell.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous IntellGuy said...

Hi, the translation feature is quite nice. Mind telling me how to put that feature?

4:30 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Anonymous: when u failed or cheated by LB then I know wat will u say next

4:45 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi intelliguy,

No problem, just look at the source code.

4:48 PM  
Anonymous keepitup said...

Anonymous (the one with substandard english),
the more you post, the more you're showing your stupidity. and I will refrain from pursuing further discussion with you, who is clearly a numbskull.

for instance, this information I'm gonna share with you will probably blow your uncultivated brains.

.org domains can be registered by anyone

clearly, there is no way anyone can establish an intelligent discussion with you, so do yourself a favour, do some useful research before posting, otherwise, refrain from posting, please.

also, if you do ask nicely, I will gladly share information you need with you

7:25 PM  
Anonymous keepitup said...

mr. dumpy idiot head,
I can hardly comprehend what you are trying to say, and I believe others could be facing the same problem. So it is difficult for us to address your questions.

7:39 PM  
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11:14 PM  
Anonymous Jefferson Young said...

Dear anonymous,

I could see your future is clouded my young padawan.

1:03 AM  
Anonymous mr dumpy idiot head said...

to mr keepitup,
read my name n u no y u dun understand, v r not in the same world. so i think i repost again,

do u make a company wiv a kind heart of helping the poor and building up a society full of harmony and peacefulness?

tell me when u do that, coz i will like to promote it.

but after u doing so, u got abit more money, u will donate wivout a name or wiv a name so that more ppl no the existence of u?

...................................

wat so great of u to stop a product in a free market(v r not)
it is the customer who decide so u can onli shout out that the product is useless, while the other side making money even u shout so long.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

if it reli that bad, dun worry, no1 will buy it again.wiv the amount of member they got not, it takes less than 2 years to c the result.

1:59 AM  
Anonymous Andrew said...

[Quote]
U CANT EAT THE GRAPE PLEASE DON SAID THE GRAPE TASTE SOUR . EVEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE MARKETING PLAN BUT U GOT NOT BALLS TO DO THEN DON SAID IS SCAM . THINK B4 U SAID SOMETHING . IF U DO SO MUCH JUST TO TELL THEM IT IS A SCAM . HOW ABOUT THOSE WHO SUCCESS ??? THINK IT CAREFULLY
[Unquote]

Do i have to eat chillies before i know it's too hot? Do i have to smoke or abuse drugs first to know that it is bad for my health??

How they succeed? They succeeded by scamming ppl lar... the initial members who got scammed by their upline seek to scam new prospects (downline) in order to recoup and to gain more.

It's high time we put a stop to this or else, the scamming cycle will keep on recurring and never stop, thus the "sustainability" claimed by some "anonymous" here...

3:31 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Your success comes from recruitment.

Very easy to understand lo...

3:54 AM  
Anonymous keepitup said...

andrew, spot on. (btw, i'm andrew too)

the ethical question is would you want to scam your friends, relatives and those people close to you? anyone ethical will not do it. I believe everyone has some moral values ingrained into them, so those who do it are truly ignorant.

Ignorant is the best word to describe these people, as they refuse to realise that this is a scam. Even if they realise it and still continue to scam, thats because they choose to ignore.

now, why is it scam?

a scam is an attempt to intentionally mislead someone with the goal of financial gain.

it is a scam because it misleads hopefuls into the scheme believing that there will earn ridiculous amount of money.

it misleads people into thinking that they fail because they did not put in the right amount of effort. can anyone truly guarantee that utmost effort can make ridiculous amount of money for you? -imagine you convincing one of your closed ones, and they failed miserably in this venture despite you know they've tried their best.

then some baboon comes justifying that a lot of other businesses are scamming others. true, many businesses are misleading in the way they market their products, but what's important is, does it promise you an outrageous money making oppurtunity?

can some pro-LB/SYN/DCHL or neutral party please throw in something sensible so we can have a constructive discussion?

5:25 AM  
Anonymous Fat4 said...

This is quite a blog. I have been noticing this blog since it was set up. In my blog i have talked about marketing schemes by MLM.

The current trend of MLM is to try and get as many "professionals" or people with degrees to join. Why? it gives the organisation more credibility. Funny how sometimes these schemes are just out there to ruin those with the least money and the highest expectations.

People ought to know that besides the Insurance direct marketing schemes, all other schemes have failed and do not last for more than 1 or 2 decade. Honestly i asked those people who are in Lampe Berger to know that one day, maybe a few years later, to know that Fat4 has said this before.

"You have cheated a lot of people and in this life of yours, you will have a lot of bad karma. You do not understand how much is RM32k for a lot of us buying some worthless item which has not been proven of its medicinal effects. You have tried to create a false impression and you are making immoral money. Not much different from a prostitute who opened her legs to do business. But at least for her, she is doing it for survival and you are doing it because you cannot find yourself more useful in other ways."

annonymous: you sound so typical of a lampe berger agent or marqui or whatever you call them. your delusional self without much logic or substance in whatever you say goes to show you have no credibility. You survive only because there are foolish people around you. at least from what i read about SYN he is still okay. he sound sincere even though he might be blinded by other facts. But at least he is trying to make a decent living. You? you don't even question things and just want to make (note that should be changed to scam) people lose money. Will you lend your poor agents who lost money?

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok.. a pyramid scheme is whereby the distributor who sold the product to the end user gets pay lesser than his/her uplines.

In LB/SYN/DCHL or whatever you like to call it.. the plan clearly shows that bonuses/commisions actually gets lesser and lesser from the 1st generation of your downlines till the 6th...
1st gen 5%,2nd gen 3%,3rd gen 2% ... blabla... I think this is fair enough.. and the bonuses end after 6 generations.. So its not
a structure which downline distributors work their a*s off while the uplines are earning most of the sales commision.

Yes its true we do made use of "Leveraging" but we leverage more on our time/abilities but not fully on income. For example,a marquis challenge requires
468750pv to complete.. That's not something we can do it by our ownself (Maybe some can).. So your entire network will help to achieve this sales amount.. You managed to complete your Marquis challenge while your network of downlines earn commisions by doing this much sales.. Therefore its a win-win situation..

Those who really made it big in this business.. the Dukes for example.. most of them have only 5 direct partners.. This shows that the key to success is that you
run your network well and be more willing to help your partners..
After all, when you get 5 partners to sign distributorship under you.. you are responsible for their investment.. So make sure that your partners dun "die" in this business.. Dun just make empty promises!

As for the pricing policy.. I believe ken already explained it well.. and if you guys really go thru the plan.. you guys will find that consumers of Lampe Berger actually get to accumulate PVs even if they are not interested in the business.. after they accumulated up to certain amount of PVs.. they get discount from 20%-38%+ .. so its not really that expensive..

I know maybe you guys dun even bother to read thru what I wrote..
But based on my point of view as a LB distributor.. I dun see that this method of networking is a pyramid scheme.. I see a plan which both sides get benefits.

Do correct me/give me a clear definition on what is and what is not a "Pyramid scheme".

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh... maybe my english is poor but mmm... i m think u guys good for nothing too.. especially steven yip .. u think that you do this blog showing that you are so proud with it is it ? but did u found out something whenever u got not balls man..!! where is your balls ? ur brother understand more then you understand . Why he wanna to throw that 30k because he take it as a business to work with it . You don even have RM 30k then you said is a scam . U don even dare to work with it . U don understand the situation . U stupid mother fucka.. u damn stupid . Your brother is more clever then you . All the thing that you said if u want to prove it is True then show the full details so just post for nothing . FUck Someone Please USE your brain . Complain Someone Please Give Proof It AT here.. Stupid Dumb Ass

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Oldman said...

Hey there..
The blogger owner said that the cheapest lamp u can buy online cost Rm133.76, DCHL retails it Rm222. DCHL gives a 10% discount for every members, so that makes it Rm199.8 per diffuser(lamp).

1st thing when u buy a Lampe Berger online, did u include the shipping cost? Look at the shipping info provided by http://www.mywood-n-treasures.com. Shipping rates for orders $30-$34.99 would cost $7.50. That makes it Rm28.50, so total up it would be Rm133.76 + Rm28.50 = Rm162.26, and that is only for shippings withing US continental. Do you think that shipping charges will be any cheaper than $7.50 to bring it to Malaysia? Nah I dun think so...
Rm162.26 and Rm199.8, you compare it urself.

As for the repeat sales part (the refills).. The 1l oil cost $31.90 in US, so shipping rates would be $7.00, bout Rm147.82. DCHL selling the oils at Rm237, with 10% discount u get Rm213.3. Bear in mind "highly specialized compartments for shipping is used" for flameable items (quote) So do you think these lamps and refills got "No Value?CHEAP?"
Nah, still I dun think so..

Plus, like the above guy said, as a member of DCHL, the more you use, the more discount priviledge you have. What if I accumulated 2345pv and get 20% discount? What if I have 29% and 38% for being a loyal customer.
All above examples are only calculated with the 10% discount new members got. So worth it or not? Do your own calculation.

As for signature/specially designed lamps, their title says it all. It's signature, what can you expect? Just like the LV bags comparison between Malaysia and France by the air-stewardess. The "Who's your customer" section also said, only High Class Malaysians would buy them.
Its not often to see distributors carrying signature lamps to sell them to their friends/customers. Or include signature lamps in the Franchise package. Not possible right?
The difference between signature lamp sold there and here is really quite huge. But for normal income Malaysians, a normal(cheapest) lamp plus some oils to use it urself is quite affordable right? Usually supplementary tablets, or other health product cost about the same too ain it?

Well Im not into MLM, Im just a user of Lampe Berger products, I dun really think it is fair to attack a company just bcos different countries got different pricing policy. Use ur maths to calculate it urself.

1:10 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi all LB supporters,

I have no problem with product, or pricing, I know there's shipping cost involved, but it's done on a general comparison.

The thing is, how could you recruit members to join, and sell these expensive stuff. It's not like 200, 300, it can up to thousands.

And furthermore, where these kiddos gonna get 30k.

Did they worked their ass off to get 30k in the first place?

If that's his money, go ahead. But this affects others.

DCHL is not your own business in a sense, you are just another distributor.

And you guys don't sell lamps, most of it is the marketing plan.

Try selling lamps, without the marketing plan...see how far it goes.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Duke of Lampe Berger said...

I've just stumbled upon this website & find this whole discussion very entertaining and amusing. I am in Lampe Berger and was told by one of my collegues,(who is one of those that isn't really making money but tries to bullshit his friends into signing up buy driving a bmw 3 series old model, 0% free i may add so anyone with a 5k income can more than afford, and also goes around bullshitting people he makes 30k a month!). These are the people in our company that give us a bad name. They rope all this poor college kids in who can barely afford the 2500 to join and they in turn go and get their poor friends to join. I agree with the earlier person who said this business is for the upper class and that is exactly what i am and people who I rope in are. Of couse we know we are selling you the product at a permium! The difference goes into the company's pocket as well as mine, and yes, the joining fee too! Is it a pyramid scheme? If you ask me morally, I would say yes it is, If you ask me legally,it is not. We get around it by selling that silly lampe. Anyway, some people who have smokers in their house and also those facing respitory problems would gladly pay the premium as it really works, even if it is funding my brand new CLS, which is a fantastic car I may add, those of who can afford it should get one(highly unlikely since u guys are making such a big deal about the 30k joining fee).
SO the bottom line, all the people in this business who are on this blog, stop pretending that we are not charging a high margin on this which we clearly know we are! Also stop roping in poor people! I hate seeing these embrios who just finished their studies and wear a black coat and try to bullshit people that they are doing so well. you may earn 20-30 k in one month but you will never reach the league of us big boys. To the rest of you guys, keep it up and continue dissind all these poor people and hopefully they fuck off from our company. This product is to complement the lifestyle of the rich and the famous, not just any dog on the street!

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Duke of Lampe Berger said...

just to clarify some typos
1)0% means 0% interest free
2)dissnd was supposed to read dissing
3)poor people means financially poor people(to me, poor people are classified as middle income earners and below)

didn't want the bloggers to make fun of my English like that loser anonymous who can bearly speak let alone sell our product.

5:43 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Hi Duke of Lampe Berger,

It's good to know someone in LB who is capable of speaking decent english.

The problem with a pyramid system is, your growth has no limit, and sooner or later, its' tentacles will start going for the middle class. It already has.

It's definitely a rich man's game, but the segment for this rich is small.

Just a question, are you sure, all your downlines are in the same league as you?

7:17 PM  
Anonymous Duke of Lampe Berger said...

I don't think so although I do feel some of them pretend to be in our league. However, once recruiting of the upper class is maxed out, we then sustain by just consuming the product. After all, we've all made our money, and the last level will only benefit from the discounts on the lamps they buy. Kind of like joining the hilton membership and receiving a discount on rooms, except this is inflated for my benefit and my company's benefit.

As for me however, most of my clients for some reason love the lamp juice and keep consuming it. As I mentioned before, it really helps in a "smoking friendly" environment! so most of them light up the juice in the office.
Much more effective then the water that spins in a bowl(manufactured by Cosway I think) that poor people use.

Anyway, in the future, I may not make money from the recruiting aspect of the business, but i will still make money from my rich clients who will still continue to buy the product and refills. I won't make as much but who cares, we've got too much anyway! I'm not even working now,I'm wasting my time on this blog and freaking money is still being thrown at me.

So I stress again, if you have no money,no disposable cash, like steven's brother, don't throw away your dad's hard earned money to me! Go get a real job and work from large companies owned by people like myself and members of my company and if you follow this path, like your brother said, you will never be in our league!

9:15 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

wow, thanks duke for your insightful view.

by the way, no plans to be Arch Duke?

Afaik, there are only 2 arch dukes in DCHL.

10:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those dukes are great pretender.

Trying to sound innocent here.

In their office, everyone used the same dirty tricks.

5:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

still i think one word to define LB is " FUCK "

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

when something/someone become famous, what is the next thing will come out? Answer is - PIRATED.

so, Steven Yip don't you feel ashamed? oh man, if you don't but your parents will... wake up my friend!

10:46 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi anonymous,

Ashamed? nope.

My view of DCHL in malaysia, it's basically a pyramid system, sucking out our malaysian money to taiwan DCHL, and part of it earned by Lampe Berger France.

I don't view things on the lower level , and on the marketing plan itself.

Just look from above, and you will see how things are well planned.

In fact, there's no point against Steven Yeam, and his bunch of networkers.

The biggest culprit are the business owners.

Mr.Kim Huynh, Chairman of the D.C.H.L.

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, for some foolish reason, I joined as a franchisee in DCHL in Singapore. I almost wanted to get S$15K to position myself as a count. Thank God, I looked for the right person. I told him of my plans, to use the 15K o spin more cash to start up on my own dreams later on in life. My friend (let's call him TY), woke me up. TY told me that why wasn't I using my talents to work on my dreams NOW instead of cashing in on the MLM crap shit. Why hesitate to build up more cash when what I need now is more exposure and skill? I woke up then. I realised that the fundamental driving force behind this entire MLM scheme is money. As what my ex-upline marquis (i've quit u see. Thank God, my upline, my good friend understands my position. He refunded me the cash for $500++ worth of unused products. I'm just super lucky,ok?)said, "Money may not buy everything. But it can give you POWER. It can help u chase your dreams, etc etc." Money. Power. It all boils down to greed.

One thing that really bothers me was this. My ex upline Marquis was congragulating me, saying ,"Great! I've seen a change in you. You are now so much more focused and determined in what you want now. I feel so happy for you." for I decided to borrow S$15K from TY. I left her later and happened to meet TY on the streets. TY tokked me outta it and I was rudely awakened. I realised I was blinded by the very thing that I didn't like. Greed. Imagine what my ex-marquis said when I told her what TY told me. She said, "I think you are not sure with what you intend to do in MLM. "

Wow. An amazing 180 degree change in language. One moment she was congragulating me, cheering me on, next moment she was telling me I am lost. Great. Just great.

No. I'm not saying the MLM mechanism is bad. It's fundamentally / in a business way, flawed. But it should have been a real good way of doing business, to introduce good, products to your friends. The ethical flaw lies in greed. People want to get more people to join to cover up their losses and to earn a profit, to become a Marquis or whatsoever. When you become so driven to achieve that goal, you leave out many things in life. Which is sad.

I feel that I should get my friend out of the percieved business but yet, I can't because he doesn't see anything wrong with MLM. I so want to get all these people out of the scheme. But I can't they are all stuck in the rat race that they are trying so hard to get out of. Sighs if only life could be simpler without money.

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if i were not wrg, if some1 pay 100 to get a lamp, 69% will go back to the distributor, thus, not much of leaking money to taiwan,

for the above, u r lucky to hav changes, not much got, but y not u use ur talent on ur own, y bother those who dun 1 2 step out of it.

it is a rich man game, beside of this, there r more richman game, but tons of ppl still blindly go play n lose like a rat.

in the end, it is urself who decide whether the product is worth or not, if not, dun buy, if worth than buy lo

there r still ppl who dun watch astro, dun drive car,

is one's choice,

2:33 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Hi anonymous,

Even though it's 69% going to distributor, the party that wins is DCHL.

The network losses.

You can view the network as a cash cow. You can milk money from them, anyway you want.

So, I say, why not just drop this MLM plan and do retail?

Not fuss, no muss.

6:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ur ultimate goal is juz 1 2 get rip of something, things from u or lb is equal, hardselling ur own thinking, but this blog is like that, so i wonder if owner is kind enuff to giv some side that gives a more netrual views?

2:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Everyone!!!,

I'm Ah Wai from MLM. Such a nice post from all of you :)

I admit sometimes the MLMers always use this kind of tactic of luring "potential" people into their business. Eg. N-stream, Synergy, Herbalife, Lampeberger, Amway, Diamond, eCosway, IMagic, NuSkin, CNI and etc.

I'm also ex-anti MLMer just like you all. Proud to be antiMLMers. "MLM is conbusiness" and "StudioTraffic is PONZI SCHEME!" Hehehe... :)

But, AT LAST i realise in this World of Events..."Capitalism"

EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE OR PEOPLE CON YOU...you choose!

Sami Vellu, politicians, MPSJ, MPPJ, MBI, dato, datuks, Thaksin, Arroyo, Suharto, *me* and etc also CONNING people $$$ only what...

I only take little con $$$ while the *people mentioned above* CON the "rakyat" & taxpayer's $$$ BIG TIME! SO what is the FUSS?

I con my lecturer before, i cheat on my exam before, i Ponteng class before, i cheated during SNOOKER, i cheated my fren before, hell i even con my GF before. Hahaha. What is the BIG FUSS?

As i say, EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE or PEOPLE CON YOU...Its a survival skill!

Its better for us, "the little guy with no $$$" to con little $$$, than "the BIG SHOT GOVERNMENT officials" to con the rakyat $$$.

RIght?

I'm DAMN sure the GOvernment DOn't MIND this little $$$ one.

AIyah, we group together as a group of "hardcore anti-lampeberger", then we charge those people who is also "anti-lampeberger" RM 100 each. Then, we also make LOTS of $$$.

Simple calculation,

RM 100 x 10,000 member (ANTI-LAMPEBERGER) = RM 1,000,000!!!!

Then, we BUY Ferrari and BMW to drive to Menara HLA, park at the FRONT and BURN them. This we show that we also can make $$$ ma!!!

DAMN good IDEA...!!!

WE group together ok...WE KEEP in touch! Malaysia BOLEH!

Remember, my name is AH Wai from SYN DCHL Lampeberger :)

1:44 PM  
Anonymous SON OF GOD said...

mercedes benz also cheap in german..go and buy there la...and when u bring into malaysia pay la da tax...alots of$$$$$$$....man come on la..go and complain la at m'ysia gov..why mercedes is cheap at german but expensive in malaysia...dude understand first b4 talkin somethin la...please la..dun simply throw out ur words la my fren...

1:21 AM  
Anonymous Metal Steed Rider said...

hmm... i dont know that LB lamps got taxed like cars here in Malaysia...

how much is it if u care to tell me? 100% import duty and 300% excise duties for "imported" LB Lamps? oh yeah let's not forget the 10% sales tax also!

dude understand first b4 talkin somethin la...please la..dun simply throw out ur words la my fren...

12:54 AM  
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3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

teligung jgak budak2 anti lamp berger ni...mna otak kamu ni...klu kamu ckp kena business ni tipu org so bagaimana ngan business lain..business lain lagi la tipu org..fikir dulu b4 cakap...

2:14 PM  

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