Friday, March 31, 2006

What others say..

Ok, first of all, I want to apologize for my previous harsh remarks. It's really an outburst of anger. I wish to say again, it's uncalled for. For those young LB members, it's better you guys find a better job than LB. Your uplines are more slick than you are.

There are some contributions from others regarding D.C.H.L. that I got. So, I will put this below. This one is interesting, as I have planned to write regarding Direct Selling Association of Malaysia article on the comparison between Direct Selling and Pyramid Plan.

http://www.dsam.org.my/pyramid.html

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From Calvin:

Hi there,

I started to get interested in finding the nature of the business call Multi-Level Marketing when my friends were getting seriously involved in several MLM company.

Basically under the definition of DASM (www.dsam.org.my/selling.html) MLM is under the roof of Direct Sales.

Types of Direct Sales:

  1. Door-to-door / Simple Commission Plan
  2. The Hostess / Party Plan
  3. Multi-Level Marketing / Distributor Network Plan
  4. Pyramid Plan

Since a lot of people mostly (pro-MLM person), would like to emphasis on MLM is the business structure of the cutting edge stuff, yet the truth is always bitter, according to my research, it turns out to be false. The earliest form of MLM were started by the Amway around 70s~80s. So, anyone pitching about how “Cutting Edge” MLM are, please don’t use that phrase again.

“Door-to-door” & “The Hostess” are earliest form of MLM before combining the franchising idea. Whereas MLM is a business model that combines direct marketing with franchising. At the early development of MLM, these company found themselves facing the problem that they overproduce product (in financial terms a.k.a. poor market dynamic), hence more money have to spend on inventory storage, which ultimately resulting in greater cost. So, how do they solve this crisis? So, they introduced motivational system (Brainwashing) into MLM, resulting a group of total depended users. So, some clever guy might pointed out that in Lampe Berger it won’t happen such thing because it sounded more like an daily consume product (e.g. soap, detergent… etc.), right? But the truth that I brought up this is try to imagine, motivational materials are needed even for selling daily usable product, how about a product such as Lampe Berger, which is known for it’s pricy collectors’ lamp? Try to imagine Lampe Berger without the motivating classes/seminars?

For those who don’t understand this paragraph, please refer yourself to (http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html) this webpage explains the fundamental flaws in MLM. I am merely comparing Lampe Berger to Amway, which is often using as a bench mark to justify other MLM. Looking only in the types of product that they offer it would be very easy to spot that, there is a serious problem in these lamp’s Market.

Some might pull out the triumph card, where something similar often being said “If it doesn’t work, why does it exist?”. It is not questionable that MLM works, since so many companies adopted the structure, and success. Comparing to the conventional business it would be very obvious that MLM is just like an infant, a lot of work needed to be done in legal issue and a great deal of time is needed to patch up some major loop holes. And to do that, people need to understand the full-picture. So, please don’t stereotype those that opposing your view as a Negative person. In fact what you did it information control (a way of mind control). Some might even came across some roguish comment claming we don’t understand the nature of the business, discrediting other people without any proof, some even ended with some ridiculous speech, such as “Why don’t go to report to police?” Oh! Please, these kinds of cases are to report to “Kementerian Perdagangan”. And I don’t think that is the best way to approach this issue, as one says the Wiseman solve problem before they arises, vise versa. So stop ranting nonsense when you were asked to defend your business, rather I would prefer proof.

One of the things that concerns me the most is by definition Lampe Berger is very close to the pyramid thingy: (Quoted from: http://www.dsam.org.my/pyramid.html)

QUALIFICATION FOR BEING A PYRAMID SCHEME:

(Wow! Are you one of them? Let’s check)

  1. “Pyramid schemes often disguise high entry fees as part of the price charged for required purchases of training, product inventory etc. Pyramid schemes make virtually all their profits from recruiting.” – True, Lampe Berger requires a big lump of money to join.

  1. “Pyramid schemes are frequently disguised to appear as legitimate direct selling companies. Such schemes are not interested in marketing these products which are of dubious value. Instead, money is made in typical pyramid fashion, from recruiting, with new distributors being pushed to purchase high cost/large inventory when they sign up.” – True! Once upon a time, Lampe Berger’s distributor might still ethical by solely introducing the product (Occasionally introduce the system), but now since the crowd is so big, that they no longer keep good track on how they how perform. People now tend to sale the opportunity than the product. And lamps are merely use as a disguise to fool government officer. (Look! We Sells Lamps!)

  1. “Pyramid schemes will not buy back unsold inventory. Such schemes will collapse very quickly if there is this condition for re-purchase of goods.” – True! Black and White they did stress out that they will buy back, but in reality there is a lot of deception upon refund issue.

  1. “Pyramid schemes are get-rich quick schemes. The nature of the pyramids, in which large numbers of people at the bottom of the pyramid pay money to a few people at the top, clearly explains why the scheme cannot sustain itself for long.” – Okay, let’s be fair, some says it is and some say it isn’t, I think I will let reader justify themselves on this. But showing off fancy cars, shiny jewelries, and claming one could being “Financial Independent” within few years ~ what do you all think?

  1. “Position could be purchased.” – Let’s see, with RM 30,000 a person can bought what? Hmmm… I guess, position really can be sold at Lampe Berger! This makes it another True!

  1. “Pyramid schemes are not concerned with repeat sales to users of the products. Profits are made on volume sales to new recruits who buy the products not because they are useful or attractively priced, but because they must buy them to participate in the scheme. As a result, new participants are stuck with products that are way below the market value in relation to the high entry fees paid by them. Should the pyramid scheme collapse, there is no way for the participants to recover their "investments".” – High entry fees?!! RM 2345 is it highest among MLM companies? Who knows? Maybe some position buying MLM with the price tag RM 30,000 are the highest (wait a minute, isn’t both of them from the same company?). Hmmm… products below market value… I think a search on ebay will give a clearer description on this issue. So, I guess another True!

  1. “Promoters of a pyramid scheme are engaging in fraud, knowingly deceiving participants in the schemes.” – True! By not telling the risk a person undertaken prior to introducing them into the business, and exaggerating the power of aromatherapy, in not only ill moral, they are deceptive. (D


o “Participants in a pyramid scheme have no choice but indulge in inventory loading/high fees to participate.”

o “Participation is essentially based on recruiting, not necessarily on the sale of products or services.”

– Both are similar to above, so, I guess will have concluded as True.

  1. “Pyramid schemes have been outlawed throughout the United States and many countries many countries around the world.” – Uncertain, because I don’t have proof! (this is were where is really dislike a lot of MLM distributor, they so easily claming stuff that they just heard without showing any proof )

Yes, you all do sell “Lamps”, yet, why do they prefer recruiting people than selling these magnificent lamps? I don’t even recall once I met a Lamper Berger distributor approach me talking solely on Lamps, most of the time these Lamps are merely pawns to lure people interest. Okay, let’s says some of the INEXPERINCED distributor abusing the flaws in this business, but why even among high level (Marquis) also emphasised on the system part rather than the product? Well at least they are being HONEST in what their intention. Strangely, I have to admit that I do adore the Marquis perverted honesty.

Lastly no matter how hard you argue, it is still a money game, allow me to explain:

Using the 8 ball/passenger network, let says in a 4 level of binary expanding network tree, the blue circle represent a person who earn himself a higher ranking (e.g. count). The blue circle required to sustain the network in order to maintain position. Now please look at the a macro situation where we assume no loss in numbers of member in first pyramid diagram, and we assume the lowest 8 person get their own 4 level of people, where they now are promoted to be one of the blue circle. So, looking at the picture we can see, the numbers in red circle increased exponentially where as the ones in blue increase much slower. With an 88.1% of loser/supporting person in the system, then percentage will only grow higher as the pyramid grow bigger. If in a world where people will just pop up and increase with the speed of the pyramid expanding, it would be an ideal structure to operate, but in reality, populations are constrains be limited resources, strategic locations, degrees of education… etc. People won’t be able to breading like pigs. That’s why market saturation factor kick in. Looking at the RM 30K position buying mechanism, it is terribly wrong, because it is like adding petrol on madly burning fire – why do I say so? In order to maintain one’s position he/she must maintain the structure of network/pyramid, but smart DCHL – operating under the product name of Lampe Berger created a short cut, where people at the bottom base supporting the structure suddenly come up with the money to skip a level, the structure will definitely crumble. So, why haven’t it crumble? This is the main reason that they are targeting fresh graduates or even undergraduates to join into the system so that they can manage to remedy the instability caused by the short cut they have created.

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So, let’s change a different perspective looking at this matter, Mental issue! Yes, I’m not saying people get crazy (but close enough). When we were brought into some meeting/seminars they will always says starting the “BUSINESS” it’s like a piece of cake, but when people really did try and fail, they claim that they:

  1. You where not part of a wining team
  2. You didn’t submit yourself into the system
  3. LAZYNESS
  4. NO heart
  5. Easily influenced by negative
  6. NOT willing to commit
  7. Did not apply the 3 powers!
  8. You gave up

Hmmm… I guess it isn’t really as easy as what they said, isn’t that unethical? Claming one thing at first and then blaming then when they quit? I’m not saying those joined and didn’t do anything, what I’m saying is those that really gave up a lot of time participating it and found themselves facing a lot of problem. This will certainly put people into confusion because the only thing they know is blaming themselves, since they were told so many times that people fails because the reason stated above. There is a free book on talking how a former distributor experienced when he is trying to get out from MLM (http://www.merchantsofdeception.com/), the higher the distributor position is when he decided to get out, the more harsh it would be in his mind to accept the reality and moving one with his life.

Finally, I do hope people have come to their senses before joining MLM Company, especially Lampe Berger operating under DCHL (MLM + Motivating Material). And by the way, please don’t lose your temper, don’t use vulgar words. The one thing that separates us from them is that we are able to tell what is right. Where as those that totally plug into the corrupted system, are ignorant and most of the time denying reality by using improper words. So, the point is that you are not them, please don’t get yourself down and dirty. Wishing you all the best! And this is only one mans perception!

Cheers,

Calvin

Resources:

http://www.merchantsofdeception.com/

http://www.quixtarinsideout.com/

http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mlm.html

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-2429(199507)59%3A3%3C63%3AMOATLO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N

http://www.dsam.org.my/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/

85 Comments:

Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

WOW!!! nice article man!!! I wish this can be used as a forwarding emails material as a propaganda! To create awareness to young ppl out there!

NOW! is already proven that DCHL/SYN/LB is a 100% Pyramid scheme! Since it was a pyramid scheme tat is ban in malaysia and other countries around the world...WHY U STILL JOIN IT AND DO THE DIRTY WORK? CEPAT BANGUN LA KAWAN!

6:21 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

I would like it to be spreaded out to others. Do try to do that! but please proof reading it before you send, okay? because reading back now, I found some grammar mistake and some typo.I do hope author/(anyone else) of this blog might be able to help me to make some corrections.

Sorry if it's too long to read, and this is only One Man's Perceptions! Yeah!

For Steven Yip:
Thanks for posting it. And I do hope my mail helped~

For B3rnard7:
Thanks for the support!
People only hear what they want, so, I don't think much pro-LB supporter willing take that as an advise.

For Pro-LB ppl:
Any comment regarding my point of view? I would like to see a comment from a pro-LB people that can generate a feed back based upon his research rather than infomation feeded by his's/her's upline. Just leave a comment here, i will be more than happy to reply~ Please NO Vulgar words (kata-kata kasah), because it doesn't only give people bad impression, it also projects bad name for LB.

8:23 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

Well, since I noticed a fierce debate regarding Lampe Berger, my sense of humor suddenly struck me by surprise, yet I felt the responsibility for lighten the atmosphere a bit with a CHILDISH story. (Since I found that all Lampe Berger Distributor likes to listen/deliver stories… so I have this urge to share this story…)
So, Sorry Steven Yip... I have to talk something is TOTALLY NO CONNECTION WITH LAMPE BERGER IN WHATEVER WAYS. The Story starts here…

Once upon a time, there is a person who invented Light Bulb (the term “Light Bulb” will be abbreviated as “L.B.” due to the fact that I’m lazy to type both words again and again)…
Where were we just now? Oh… yes, the some crook invented LB (a.k.a Light Bulb) … So, he invented L.B., since at that time no one wants a L.B. due to the fact that it only provides light, and doesn’t give a aromatic scent. People just don’t like L.B. because it is just a gimmick that solely generating light. At that time, people prefer using gasoline fueled lamps that can be use several ways:
1. Molotov cocktail – they can use the lamps to start a riot, when they dislike their government. (for more info on Molotov cocktail please click: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_bomb)
2. Put an odor in their lovely house. ( I don’t know how they like that gasoline smell, I think people in the story just have their own taste)
3. Keeping a genie in the lamp? (Maybe some lamps are so big that they can sustain several genies!)
4. To show off their status, (in our society people tends to show off their wealth by purchasing Luxury Cars/Jewelries… but in this fiction story, people likes to show off the complexity of the lamps.)
So, the Light Bulb inventing guy, he claim himself foresee the market of all people using gasoline lamps converted into a L.B. user. And without second thought he invested a big lump sum of money in mass producing L.B.. Later he found himself nearly bankrupt due to the lack of knowledge in marketing. Luckily one day he met a Brainwasher, and team up with him as partners.

So, what the Brainwasher needed to do was to convert everyone’s habit in using gasoline lamps into using L.B.. But that wasn’t enough for L.B. guy, he wanted to exploit people’s greed. So he adapted the MLM principles, and after few years of handwork, he held together a group of loyal goons that will only use L.B.. Soon or later, others that still use conventional lamps are label as evil person.

At the end, the guy who invented the Light Bulb, (a.k.a: L.B.) got filthy rich, whereas other people just struggling with their life just for a better/bigger Light Bulb.

Well, I think I have written enough, this is totally fiction and have nothing to do with Lampe Berger, DCHL or even the great Thomas Edison. So, Lampe Berger people always ended their story with “THE MORAL OF THE STORY”, so, I guess I have to do the same~ the moral of this story is that bluffing and making up stories is utterly bad when people making inquiries. Don’t beating around the bushes and hoping people forgotten what they intended to ask. Hmmm… let’s see… and don’t try to speak so sarcastically on how good the system is… (Especially don’t try in front of people who really understand how MLM works, the feeling would be similar you reading this ridiculous story)….
GOT it?
P.S.: For those who can’t realize by now the story was made up without any supporting detail, and also uses extremely sarcastic tone… so don’t believe a single word in the stories, its nonsense and no matter how hard I try to exaggerate, the story will always be bullshit.
Attention: If any similarities in reality with the story, it is merely coincidence, the author does not held responsible.

And This is One Man’s Bullshit~

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lambastard give me back my money!!!

10:05 AM  
Anonymous yowchuan said...

You missed out this link from our neighbouring country:

http://app.mti.gov.sg/default.asp?id=567

10:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My goodness.This is what it has come to.I was notified by a friend of mine saying there were anti-LB sentiments floating around the net.I knew who people who disagreed with the way Lmape Berger does things but damn.You guys are starting to sound like iraq dissing out America.All of you are talking as if this particular business came straight from Lucifer himself.You go and find all this research online about cheaper products and such.Well why dont you do things like this.Don;t buy any clothes from Malaysia.Just go online and shop for clothes which are made in india.This could ALSO save you a few bucks.You people act like you know what we are all about when you have absolutely no idea what is going on.I am currently a distributor for Lampe Berger.I have to admit that from the get go.And i know you must think that i am obviously helping lampe berger because i am currently in the company.But that is not the issue here.And you say that we are a pyramid scheme.Is you household a pyramid scheme?yes it is.Is you job a pyramid scheme?Yes it is.But we simply work in a different concept.There will always be someone at the top and people who follow him.Same like a pyramid.And the profaniity i saw being used.goodness me.Grow up guys.And for all those people who say that they lost money in LB.You are one of the stupidest of all.You know why you lost your money?Because you QUIT you dumb shit.And if you quit means that you lose.And if you lose....don blame anyone else but yourself.Because you didnt have the heart to carry on you went and signed a form and became a loser.And then you have the balls to go out and spread the word like wildfire that LB is the devil.Amatures.Thats all i can say

11:46 PM  
Blogger raymond said...

I agree that LB's exploitative ways should be stopped but I cannot agree with your inclination that 88.1% will end up as losers. Unless you can explain your basis.

1:02 AM  
Anonymous yowchuan said...

Let's just put it in very simple words :

Does your product/service benefit every layers of the society. Not just benefit your own interest?

If LB's scheme can answer yes to the question above, why are they so many people who lost their hard-earn money to this so-called "business"?

Yes, I agree with you that those who quit are losers, but should quitters endure such serious financial penalty?

For those who are successful in this LB business, I congratulate you sincerely. You've made it. But what about those who didn't? Have you helped them out? If you did, would this happen? Didn't they worked as hard as you? Did you know something that they don't? Is it fair to all parties?

Sorry for throwing so many questions, but I hope it puts everyone in an objective mode, before flaming and cursing one another.

We're all grown ups. We can think and make the better choice.

2:53 AM  
Anonymous Lee said...

This is how typical MLM people react to people that don't make it in the business.

They will say that we failed because we quit. But have they ask why did we quit?
In my personal opinion, maybe just because deep inside i feel it's morally wrong. Ofcourse, you're saying that the 30K load count is for buying your own stocks BUT you don't have to sell it, find a business partner and then push the stock that you bought to your new partners (most probably a Franchisee you paid RM2345). After a week, only that i know at RM2345, you can't get a refund. Only at RM30K, you can get a refund. BUT if they give you a signature lamp, you can't get a refund to. You see, the recruiting of people wil never end. The lies & the dreams we tell just to ask them to join and find new people that will later largely benefit us at the top level of the scheme.

Apart from that, there are issues of encouraging to take up loan from banks to start as Count. Hey, RM30K can pay for your studies enrolling in a Master degree in any local universities in Malaysia. If you really want to do a business, why don't use that 30K for other legitimate honest business. Or simply invest that RM30K in stocks, mutual funds (less risky).

3:27 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

LB distributors can argue that no one force anyone to invest 30K. They can start with a registration and not buy anything.

I will not want to lose a single dollar to such Company. Don't buy a single item. Many people bought because they want to support their friends in business. They are wrong. They have supported SCAM and most people who bought it don't find the product useful.

4:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sincerekind, you are right in the support part, which I guess is one of the reason more or less sustaining the business... just imagine if all non-LB members just 'helping out' by bringing 1 lamp back home that will soon be a decorative item I'm sure, but hey, it turned out to be an encouragement for the fire to continue burning. Stop the buying, the scamming will do to.
Unless victims come together to prove LB's ignorant to the public community, this blog will go on in vain.

5:07 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

This blog will not go on in vain.

Victims are too shy themselves to admit.

If Everyone tells their friends and family about Lampe Berger to caution them and they in turn tell their friends and this blog, using the same networking principle, their business will be gone by year end.

5:20 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

Great Job Calvin,

Keep it up. Let me add this:

LB distributors will use the over 100 years history of LB to convince their victims.

The fact that LB took over 100 years and yet so few Europeans know it or bought it PROVED that over here, it oversold by overclaims and the pyramid scam.

In Europe and US, the sellers are honest, they NEVER use the words, aromatherapy or heathcare or clean-air They sell them as nothing more than fragrance products. So buyers are genuine for the fragrance and bottles. People here bought out of misled info and greed. Thats why it sold more by the MLM Companies here.

5:25 AM  
Anonymous sincerekind said...

This to add,

The real losers are not hose in the bottom.

Those on top who make more money are the REAL Losers because they lost friends and reputation eventually.

I have seen so many people in the pyramid business and eventually no one trust them anymore when they do other business later.

5:28 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

calvin, steven and others,

Do you know that DCHL has no long term plan for LB ? They only make use of LB as a stepping stone to market their own brand, "Bel_AIr". Not many people are aware.
The Bel_AIR Company here, OHK is actually the Company that launched the MLM for LB products. Shortly after, they created their own brand products, BEl_AIR and opened a new company, DCHL, in Malaysia, RZ Corporation to take over the LB products and the original Company and distributors are forced to continue with Bel-Air.
So the 2 Comapnies head are brothers and both maintained the prices in order not to kill each other.
Bel_AIr do not use the trick of getting people to invest 30,000K because they will take over those LB distributors sooner or later once the LB business is over in Asia.
So then, the French factory will be crying and the MLM Companies will be laughing louder selling their own brand.
Not many people know this whole scam.
Steven Yeam played part of the scam behind it by being SACKED by the first Company in HK so that he is "forced" back to carry on with LB for the new Company(DCHL)
Ask me if you guys wish to know more, I have been researching on their background for some time.

5:39 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

Calvin,

Our country and society need people like you. I hope we can stay around to serve and save the people.

Keep up with the great work !!

5:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All right sincerekind, I'm in the dissemination network. Much knowledge learned 'bout MLM here. Let the transfer of knowledge starts!

5:43 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

Be AWARE that Lampe Berger is targeting at East Malaysia and the women market now.

If you have any friends or relatives in East Malaysia, warn them before too late.

They know the "student" market will get stagnant soon, now they concentrate on the ladies on Monday nights. Without their men around, the ladies got conned easier.

5:57 AM  
Anonymous sincerekind said...

Calvin,

How can I contact you by e-mail ?

Or can you contact me at

sincerekindmlm@yahoo.com.sg ?

5:59 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

Hi everyone,

Whenever any LB members mentioned other aspects are also pyramid in nature, it's really a shallow statement.

One factor that distinguish whether it's a pyramid or not, is the growth of the network or organisation. Not everyone can work for a company, organisation, or military. There's a limited demand of people for that jobs or organisation. You can't just keep on adding more and more people.

Second is, in a normal company, you get selected based on your qualification. In Lampe Berger DCHL or Bel' air, you don't. You can just join in. Any tom, dick, harry can.

This same selection applies to higher position. You don't buy your position. You get SELECTED in a normal organisation.

So, keep aside the phrase "everything else is pyramid".

Yes, if this blog makes DCHL or bel air sounds evil, let it be. The marketing plan is dangerous, even for the companies themselves. Yes, they have tremendous growth, but this is fake, false growth.

Just look at this excerpt I got from bel air site (another brotherly company)

""http://www.belairworld.com/""
*
From 1994 to 1996, Bel’Air adopted the traditional retail marketing method in our agency of aromatherapy products. At that time, you would be able to purchase our products from French departmental stores, dried flower stores, etc. However, these three years of traditional marketing have only yielded us an average monthly turnover of NT$200,0000. Hence, from 1996 onwards, we decided to switch to network marketing and these are the results we achieved (figures are reflected in NT$).

Year 1996: Turnover of 1 hundred million from June to December

Year 1997: Turnover of 4.8 hundred million

Year 1998: Turnover of 13.6 hundred million

Year 1999: Turnover of 45.9 hundred million, thus becoming the fourth largest

network marketing company for the year where turnovers are concerned.

Year 2000: Integration of production and marketing, possessing our own

management, research and development and marketing teams, hence

having a concrete grasp on the movements of the market, the

quality of our products and the research and development process of

new products.

Year 2001: The year of Bel’Air bio-technology, where we collaborated with the

Institute of Bio-technology of Taiwan Yang Ming University to establish

Bel'Air's very own Research Centre.

Year 2002: Led the trend by bringing in quantum medicine, progressing

towards the arenas of preventive healthcare and health sciences.

Year 2003: Successive launch of various bio-tech aromatherapy products that

have been verified by scientific research, development of our cutting

edge Aroma Smart Heater that allows diffuser lamps to be ignited

without the use of fire, thereby wholly progressing towards the era of

Bio-tech Aromatherapy, Safe Aromatherapy.

7:31 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

I believe as long as DCHL,SYN,LB is still alive...we will never REST until we see the THEM collapse with their empire as well.

For those LB members out there,there is no "empire" can remain forever.Even no matter how great is the "france antique" product...ur company will collapse 1 day and no 1 will ever help u.

Even "Napoleon" empire also collapse and return to its original size.I believe DCHL,SYN,LB will end up nothing in the air.We will have our final battle in "Waterloo" 1 day and see who wins and who lose!

Ur SYN "Napoleon" will end up 1 day.Just wait n see!

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Coldy said...

What those LB idiot keep saying that the government, any organization or even household is a pyramid. They are wrong all those are not pyramid. Its call chain of command. The top one give orders to the people below due to their position. So please can someone now explain to me, is there anything else those LB idiots can say if I would say LB is a pyramid scheme?

12:21 PM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

Steven,

Did the Bel_Air website mentioned those "products" are LAmpe Berger and that when they market Lampe Berger products in the beginning, they claimed that LB is the only brand of such products nature and the patent is on for at least another 30 or more years ?
How come Bel_Air products appeared ?
How come the US and European sellers(even LB official website) never used the word "aromatheraphy" but the brotherly companies did ?

The above 3 points is good enough to prove that these 2 Companies are NOT honest and just a SCAM.

9:38 PM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

Bel_Air also claimed that their "research" "bi0-tech" from "china"(very scary of such words in MLM) "DISCOVERED" ginseng, green tea and magnolia pure essential oils for aromatheraphy.
OMG, in over 6000 years of aromatheraphy history, no one discovered it BUT they did.

BTW, if those "alcohol-based" oils are so good, why switch to pure essential oils now ??

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear b3rnard7,

when thier empire fall, u can rest?
rest in term of?

1 thing i agree wiv u, nothing can survive long enuff, as long as it is man-make,

same idea as, USA will not b superpower forever, but ppl still like to migrate to there. same reason, they r stupid.

for u guys out there, this few weeks, groups of ppl start calling for the govt to revive the constitution or something, go do some support too, is our country.

11:10 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi sincerekind,

We could say lots of stuff on the products, but it does not matter much, it's the marketing plan.

Selling products is one thing, selling marketing plan is another.

People join not because suddenly they like the lamps, but because they see they can earn money from it, illegal though.

11:41 PM  
Anonymous daijoubu said...

Yada yada yada~

I always love to see Pro-MLMers debate in return. They always repeat the same the same thing. Ohh is the company management a pyramid scheme? OH YES! Please for goodness sake get some education before you reply. Oh wait, if they have education, they wont get sucked into the stupid scheme at the first place. LOL

One anonymous said the reason people lost money is because they QUIT. Hohoho, at least they quit before they have to break friendships and relationships and lose reputations to slave for memberships.

Look at yourselves. Going to such lows to get money. Its understandable if you've contributed to the society, but people like steven yeam and co, they broke more hearts, more relationship, more families that their paltry RM100000 donation can make up for. Think about it. If his lot is not here, how many people would've benefited from that? Oh yes we might have less 100+ rich people, but definately happier 1000+ that did not lost their money.

Anyway, in due time, Pro-MLMers will come to know what they've done. There's always time to repent of course, and contribute back to the society to regain respect as a human, but lets hope nothing comes to harm to them first ;). They woulnt want to die as people that've conned many just for cash they cant bring to the afterlive right? Of course not.... ;)

12:52 AM  
Anonymous Sincerekind said...

coldy.... they are thought to say:

"We are legal, we have MLM license"
"Sue us if we are really wrong"
"What biz guarantees you success ?"
"Don't consult others,your own biz"
"Others are jealous or ignorant"
"Others look down on you by discouraging you, prove them wrong"
"No one force you with a gun"
"Quitters are the losers"
"Quitters are not leaders, they follwed others advice"
Forgot the rest,
Maybe others can add on the list.

3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the Lampe Berger lamers!
hie i am Ah Seng..i Sell and rent BMW first hand 2nd hand 3rd hand also got u name it what year u want how power how class you want i also got..you want to rent 1 day 2 days to show off i also can arange for u..email me at lambastard@hotmail.com

10:52 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

Dear Raymond - I'm here as a "Fool/Loser", I’m such a loser that I didn’t even join LB~ too bad isn’t it? So, I guess I should stop whining, and start to clear Raymond’s doubt!

“Raymond said...
I agree that LB's exploitative ways should be stopped but I cannot agree with your inclination that 88.1% will end up as losers. Unless you can explain your basis.”

So, you are also having comment on how they operate the Business! What my analysis was done base on a very simple illustration of how pyramid structure work as posted here.

To put it simple, lets define some condition:
1. In order for a distributor to achieve success, he/she must at least have 14 down lines – refer back to figure 1 or figure 2 and the 14 down lines are the red circle.
2. Assume the speed of the network expand by a limited binary branching speed.

Well Lampe Berger people, don’t say I didn’t help you, I use this structure because I gives the lowest number of member needed to pay money for supporting the system, yet the 88.1% of loser really disappointed rite? The fact is the more a circle can expand (more than two down lines), the more people needed to be recruited in order to make the prior level promoted – So that they won’t always being the position of LOSER!
If you think hard enough, by solely recruiting members the larger the network becomes the more supporting base it requires, hence the more, the lower the possibility a person can achieve higher position.
Lets say, the market that showed in the figure are saturated by the time it grows to the network illustrated in Figure 2, the number of people are doomed to be losing money is 112 (red circle). Resulting in 88.1% of loser. But in reality market won’t be saturated as shown in figure two. So, as the structure gain larger, the higher the percentage loser, hence contradicting with the false fact delivered by most of the distributor saying market saturation doesn’t play a major role. And sometimes they didn’t even bother mentioning the risk!
(Yes, I know LB gives recruited people lamps/oil, but the way that they lure people into the business was not based on the lamps and the oil. They only serve as a meaningless symbol for their claiming innocent).

So, Dear Raymond understands the analysis means?

Anyway, I will start developing a software that simulate a structure growth (applying possibility and the randomization), and hopefully and the end of this week can provide some simulated growth and the number of loser in the System.

That’s all for now, and this is One Man’s Perceptions

Cheers,
Calvin

7:06 AM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

It is a matter of time they will crumble, and LB Help will do our best to make sure that, DCHL will soon respect others for who they are. Talk in a well manner. Don't act like all the monkeys like in the parlimen. Cakap tak serupa bikin..

The end with un-ethical LB Distributors and the end with MLM of Lampe Berger products.

I would more than willing to sell the lamps if it is not of MLM.

What a disgrace for a piece of 100 years of history..

b3rnard7, calvin, sincerekind, steven and coldy...
I've read your comments and it is a great piece of comments you all have there... :P

Good work.. what about a meeting within all of us.. :)

7:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea why not have a meeting let us brainwash you maybe you will turn this blog into www.sukalampeberger.blogspot.com
hahahaha

7:39 AM  
Anonymous Help your head said...

Lampe Berger help,
Help yourself before someone come and help you

7:47 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

Dear Anonymous,
(from the 6th comment on the topic "What others say..")
“…You guys are starting to sound like iraq dissing out America.All of you are talking as if this particular business came straight from Lucifer himself…”

Hmmm… didn’t I mentioned before, don’t stereotype other people who disagree with you? I guess you didn’t even read through the whole paragraph… So since Lucifer was mentioned, let me talk a bit about Christianity, according to the bible the signs of showing prior to Judgment day, one of the many signs is there will be a lot of imposter claming they are Jesus. Whereas in this case, I didn’t say I am correct, nor I said I’m Jesus I just want to give people something to think, rather than listen and follow. On the other hand couldn’t you have a broader perspective? After all I was told that joining LB widens one’s views. By the way, my intention was not talking about religion/America/Iraq, please don’t use a lot of jargon when your attention was asked to focus on protecting LB. Lampe Berger once was managed under great leader hence no problem back then, but now, things has change...

[For those who don’t know what is Lucifer let me have the generosity of explaining it to you, Lucifer is Satan: (Judeo-Christian and Islamic religions) chief spirit of evil and adversary of God; tempter of mankind; master of Hell!]

“You go and find all this research online about cheaper products and such. Well why dont you do things like this. Don;t buy any clothes from Malaysia. Just go online and shop for clothes which are made in india. This could ALSO save you a few bucks.”
Well, if you don’t know, nowadays almost 90% clothing are from China, which known for their cheap labor cost. In fact, most of the clothing factories in Malaysia were forced to shift to China, leaving the design firm at our country. And the fact that people online searching the lamp’s cost is to made a relevant comparison because even at a highly taxed country as America where every thing has to be taxed, how come their cost still cheaper? I think the part that you overlooked is that these lamps selling in MLM structure inflating the price. Try to have a look at the Lampe Berger sites at America, why we can’t see any MLM networking? Hmmm… guess it yourself. As for the fact you once again using clothing industry to justify LB, hmmm… please don’t compare oranges with apples? Although they are categorized as fruits, they are not the same thing. Okay?


“You people act like you know what we are all about when you have absolutely no idea what is going on.I am currently a distributor for Lampe Berger.I have to admit that from the get go.And i know you must think that i am obviously helping lampe berger because i am currently in the company.”
I would adore you if you could really stood up for what you believe, not by beating around the bushes and claming you are not pro LB, but what your action doesn’t justify what you are trying to do! So, if you are protecting LB, do admit it! Don’t try to be the other way round.

“But that is not the issue here.” – I do agree, that is not the issue here, in fact it is most certainly not the case here, so far up until now, I have been trying to see whether you can provide any evidence to support your claim… too much fancy talk will only make people more curious about the question asked.

“And you say that we are a pyramid scheme.Is you household a pyramid scheme?yes it is.Is you job a pyramid scheme?Yes it is.But we simply work in a different concept.There will always be someone at the top and people who follow him.Same like a pyramid.And the profaniity i saw being used.goodness me.”
Wow! It is always entertaining to read how MLM person see things, sometimes they even redefine words in the dictionary, in this case, Job = Pyramid Scheme, household = Pyramid Scheme…. Hmmm… Since A = B, B = C, so I have concluded that Job = Households. Amazing isn’t it? Well, that was too sarcastic! But the concept is there, don’t compare oranges with apples. If you really success in LB I do happy for you, but do kept the HARDWORKING spirit with you when you are reading? Okay? Because from the 10 signs of “QUALIFICATION FOR BEING A PYRAMID SCHEME” significantly suggest that Lampe Berger operating under MLM is a pyramid scheme, and I didn’t made the rules, the fellow at DSAM created the 10 judging signs. In addition, when I restudy these facts, I think that is why despite all the years Lampe Berger have established at Malaysia, they still couldn’t get into the Direct Sales Association. Let me explain to you that why a job is not a pyramid scheme.

4. Job – indeed they need a lot of people at the bottom supporting the whole structure, to get the operation flowing. At this point it does have some similarity to the shape of pyramid. Despite the shape of the structure looks a bit similar, I can’t really find anything similarities. The fact is that, people were paid for the job, and all the improvement studies are paid by the company rather than MLM people paying money for learning.
5. MLM (LEGAL) – Their main goal is selling products and earns commission, not by selling position. The complete definition please refer to http://www.dsam.org.my
6. MLM (ILEGAL) – a.k.a Pyramid scheme. Priority is to introduce business OPPORTUNITY rather than product.

Okay, just now I overlooked a line, which is
“But we simply work in a different concept.There will always be someone at the top and people who follow him.”
Hmmm… I think what you want to say is at the end at LB, someone will be screwed (hopefully those being screwed are not your friends or relatives, but fact is someone will have to get their hands dirty), due to Market Saturation? Because the first who get in have more possibility of getting higher before market saturates. Or perhaps, you already foresee the flaws of the way that MLM and decided to ignore the facts? Hmmm… please pointed out in paragraphs where did I misleading? Don’t simply claiming people are sabotaging LB. Point them out with proof backing up you! I am more than happy to admit my mistakes!

“Grow up guys.” – Another yet to proof claim. Even my niece understand going short cut is bad, short cutting in LB with RM30K suddenly seems okay? Grown up or not, in this debate it needs wisdom to see the truth. Not by how many years the spent. Okay, don’t start profiling people. Unless you have some sort of specialty in psychology. In fact, if you do start to study psychology, I bet you came across some studies made up Mind manipulations.

“And for all those people who say that they lost money in LB.You are one of the stupidest of all.You know why you lost your money?Because you QUIT you dumb shit.And if you quit means that you lose.And if you lose....don blame anyone else but yourself.”
This once again proof I said, guy at your age should say things with proof, and do try to read what I wrote, what I referred was those that really put their heart in and sweat days after days until one day he realized that he really can’t do it. As come to realize that Lampe Berger is not as easy as what they claim at first. If at starting point, they were told with all those risks gained from past failures (or loser – if you like to use that name), tell them honestly it is not easy to run this business, tell them that the most like likely things that they will face. Don’t simply whispering at thin air, about the risk without specifying any one of them and then at the end claming that you told them before. Have you ever once read through the agreements you have signed? Have you even once explaining the whole legal term to your friends? Well, if you want, I think a lot of people can provide a copy of the legal term, so, Steven Yip, why don’t you post your brother’s agreement on there, and see how the company using people’s ignorant against them when people finally realize that they were screwed? If it is too hard for you average people to understand, I think I can ask my family lawyer to explain it. So, bring it on!

“Because you didnt have the heart to carry on you went and signed a form and became a loser.And then you have the balls to go out and spread the word like wildfire that LB is the devil.Amatures.Thats all i can say.”
Amateurs? Like I said before, don’t label other people as it is very bad for LB’s image, things won’t happen without a reason man. Things spread out like wildfire shows that there is a significant problem amongst the way they promote LB. Prior to my claim I have studied several journals and talked to a math professional regarding MLM. So, what you got is what you were told.

In our life there are a lot of lies, half of them are utterly lies, and the other half is conveniently constructed lies. It needs wisdom to discover the truth within the lies.

Once again, this is One Man’s Perception. Interpret it in anyway you wish to… May it be that I make up the whole thing or may it be what I said is held some truth. People just want to hear what they want!

Cheers.
Calvin

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

“Anonymous said...
yea why not have a meeting let us brainwash you maybe you will turn this blog into www.sukalampeberger.blogspot.com
hahahaha”


Wow… I bet you are hoping to meet us, rite? Maybe black listing us? Or maybe finding some gangster to silence us? Or maybe you are just having fun by making fool of yourself?

Then again, we let the reader to judge~ who knows, you might become a perfect model for pro-LB people to follow. This is the only and only One Man’s Perception!

Cheers,
Calvin

9:19 AM  
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9:21 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

“Help your head said...
Lampe Berger help,
Help yourself before someone come and help you”


Can Lampe Berger help me? My head got problem? Brainwash me… Brainwash me!

Anyway, Sorry for answering it for you Lampe Berger Help, although I think quite funny though~

Cheers,
Head needs Help
(P.S.: Calvin~ I’m pretending to be Head needs Help)
One Man’s Perception!

9:24 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

To all anti-LB ppl:

Regardless how you feel about LB, Please don't use vulgar words, bad reputation for you. Do it in the correct way. Don't order other people to shut up. Just state your views, hopefully you can replace the urge for vulgar words with a little joke.

To all civilian:
Do read and think.

To all Quick Money Seeker:
No such thing is quick money, only scam!

To all metal stealing guys:
Stop Stealing Sewer Cover, Stop cutting My Neighbour’s fences, Stop stealing next village’s water meter… Stop stealing my uncle’s Mail Box (Made with Metal)!
Try to steal it in fashionable way, try to start recruiting people, and ask them to recruiting another group of people. Maybe you can be another movie can Ocean One Million Network? Wow… how cool it could be?
Recruiting people and scaming them, brainwashing them, personally I do believe you can be a “Good” parent! Wish such manipulating skills… I bet no kid will say NO to you.

Anyway, I guess my tone was too sarcastic~ anyhow this is One Man’s Perception!

Cheers,
Calvin

10:00 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Lampe Berger Help: A meeting of all of us (b3rnard7, calvin, sincerekind, steven,coldy,u and other LB member) will be great! The Unity of ants can bring down a cricket!

Sum1 in this blog here says tat Lampe Berger has arrive to east malaysia esp Sarawak.Dun tell me Steven Yeam use the magic word "I come,I see I brainwash them"?

In west malaysia,they target teenagers (college,university students or fresh grads) but in east malaysia they also 1 2 target the tribal ppl? (kadazan,iban,bajau,melanau,dayak and etc) Do u tink These tribal ppl will join this Scam?

Maybe Steven Yeam got another quote to brainwash those tribal ppl by using: "IF U SMELL...WHAT STEVEN YEAM IS USING"!!!

10:50 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

sorry a bit typo error from above....

the gathering is only for "us" and other anti LB ppl :)

10:51 AM  
Blogger scorkes said...

I've added links to your blog. I think you're doing a great job!

7:06 PM  
Anonymous andrew said...

hi scorkes... so u're here too!?

7:40 PM  
Blogger scorkes said...

Hi Andrew...

Ya man, I think this Lampe Berger is just one huge scam. Hang on to your money folks!

4:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have Lampe Berger here in Kuching. Theyre recruiting college students as well. Theres another similar to lampe berger called bel air. with all the same counts and marquies etc etc http://www.belairtherapy.com/

8:03 PM  
Anonymous Kuching need help! said...

someone help the students in Kuching please!! thats my hometown!

12:32 AM  
Anonymous andrew said...

u can start by actually sending links of this blog to all ur friends and relatives in Kuching and ask them to pass it on too.

12:40 AM  
Anonymous Kuching need help! said...

yea!! I did that already but i am not in Kuching i work in KL..that's all i can do

12:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nolah here in kuching they mostly target us chinese. the bumi ppl in kuching are more into legal direct selling like Elken and especially CNI. which on the direct selling association is legal.

Its only us chinese who are involve in this piramid scheme because to put it in a bad way, we chinese only care bout ourselves and money. so who cares if your downline has to borrow money from loanshark, family etc.

1:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry i 1 2 join Lamp Berger ..Any 1 come n recruit me..
Since all the stupid ppl talk at here let me feel that realy have big market for this 'Business' from many 10 years of audit experience.

4:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

funny, i do agree of that, v cina really care ourself onli, u can c it from every corner, back at 60s

still got ppl think only cina selfish? many u need time machine to come back.

in this modern time, every1 care about themself, if u really live in kl u can c the reality, helping is like in children story books,

very lucky, i do can help others wiv my fren in the chuch, 1 2 talk about selfish? c ur self 1st la, or u oso admit it? ofcoz u hardly find any1 who not selfish at all, even they r bumi or white ppl.

10:00 AM  
Blogger Cho said...

Lampe Berger itself is a decent product which 'used' to be elegant. It's ashame that it's now involved in this pyramid scheme.

Direct selling like Cosway, CNI, Amway are quite okay... They're selling their product in another way... But yes, they're selling their product. Might be annoying when the salesperson talk non-stop & want to recruit you...

What makes LB soooooo different is their approach, & of coz the pyramid scheme itself. When I heard they actually targeted for college students, I got so annoyed. They take advantage (exploit)of their naiveness & trust to persuade (or rather 'con') them. Gof god sake they're only student, was planning to get a proper degree which DOES MEAN value in their CV FOREVER & EVERYWHERE. Those that has pyramid as their cup of tea can go ahead and enjoy themselves but why con the others by showing them the minor fairy side of picture while hiding the major concern of the whole concept? LB make you earn a lot? You might be right, but please, saying other job is useless is just the most senseless thing i ever heard. Like hell where they get food? their lamp? their BMW? where? & yes, so much other job has better profit then them, and PROSPECTS! When the professional go to another company, they double up their pay, and so on so forth, they have value everywhere, any company. They have many other welfare and protection... stepping down on other ppl/job to get their recruit simply show how shallow their approach is, and of coz, the person who practise it.

RM30k to get to count... getting other ppl's hard earn money by sweet talk them, threatened them (gosh, I read about a son threatened to harm the mother if they don't give him the 30k, and it's funny how a LB fan said 'u are wasting ur life when god and ur mom giv u a birth...wat u thing in the world u coming for?'... not to mentioned the whole sentence is out of structure and took ppl a while to get what he's trying to say, but the fact is they talk as if they're the only person know how to valued mom's effort by LBing... threathening her life?)... The worse case is to credit it, loan another sum to pay the credit interest & minimum payment... 30k? invest on the most risky thing i ever see. Even drilling a wildcat well has more prospect than this...

*sigh* LBlers, you can have your sweet career and dream but plz leave the innocent alone, but can you do that? you can't, coz your career is build on their naiveness & sacrifices... & ppl wonder why the society becoming less trusting... now you tell me.

5:56 PM  
Blogger Cho said...

and their defend is just not convinving... they might be good debater (not sure about the language skill side) but definately poor in facts... just not convincing. Even the example they use to get back on ppl sounds senseless.

For instance, someone point out that you can get the ORIGINAL lamp for cheaper price. and their feed back on that is, you can buy cloth in Malaysia, why don't you go buy india cloth online etc etc... how senseless... comparing rose to horse... LB tru pyramid & LB tru online, same thing for different price v.s. totally different cloths from different place for different price.

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Jefferson Young said...

Hey Cho,

Some of them is comparing with a Merc.
It tickles me.

:)

8:52 PM  
Blogger Cho said...

lolz, Jeff, ain't they all do. Best entertainment of the year. I must admit I had great laugh reading through some of the comments... say... someone call Fererick Choo with the famous word SUCEED... & all the feed back he got... really amused me. phew~!

10:57 PM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

Cho,

I have been wondering for quite long, the way that they Pro-LB compare things are just not convincing and best of all i recon i can be nominated as best joke of the year~

One Man's Perception!
Calvin

1:58 AM  
Blogger Cho said...

Calvin? THE 'CALVIN'. Full respct for you, provides powerful facts & rational views. We're thinking about next approach to make more people realize the poison in the sweet juicy looking apple... (hey, I too make unrelevant eg? no... it's just metaphor, although it's a boring one).

You and Steven can combine your great brain & analyses skills to make the alarm work...

What say you?

3:38 AM  
Anonymous Calvin said...

Cho,
Yes, I'm THE CALVIN
Ha-ha... nope, you are still in the logical boundary. Well, thanks for the compliment regarding my brain.

Knowledge is the most significant assets that we all equally have, yet when such abilities held on the wrong hand, it will be extremely lethal.

Basically I will be starting reading books on programming hoping to simulate the possible outcome for typical network structure. And I will also analyze MLM comparing it to Communist. So far, I’m still searching for details Communist, the reason that I brought up this issue is because both share a very similar structure, claimed to have the most astonishing Ideology, yet nowadays, it is the core of the Communist that have rotten, leaving solely the name for them to claim. Nowadays communism merely exist in reality, China/Soviet once known to be a powerful communism nowadays, operate more in a capitalism way, in some part it even exceeds others capitalism country.

I believe, MLM exist is merely a mistake in mankind’s trading history. MLM was given birth by capitalism which desperate for an alternative way dominating the market. MLM always exist parallel with Motivational lectures. By rehabilitating people’s spending practice the created a dependent user, who will only by their brand, try to observe our surrounding, try to get into an active Amway’s distributor home, and you will notice that their households are exact duplication of what shown in the catalogue. Once, I was told by the same person that “Sharp” microwaves are not durable, and yet when the exact same microwave were placed on the catalogue, suddenly “Sharp” microwaves becomes a magnificent piece of households appliances. I wonder if this can consider deception. Or I should say, they just follow what they were told~

Sorry guys, this is more about Amway, because I am more frequently come into contact with Amway distributor, since my neighbor have been in the business for about a decade. On one occasion after I graduated from UK, she approached me, saying that I’m such a smart person, I have very sharp vision. So, after a while my curiosity kicks in, and I was brought in to a health speech/seminar… (It is amazing that how dirty a person willing to go) The talk was presented by a successful Crown Ambassador in Amway, she said that she took vitamins as if they were candy, and she claim that she took it everyday, even if she skipped a meal she would still kept the PILL eating schedule going. At that time, I didn’t raise any concern because I really don’t know what the recommending dosage is. So, I bought a few book and check on the American Government Recommendation dosage, and from what I studied if she is truly doing what she claim, I can assure you that with that amount of dosage, she will soon fact some chronic diseases. The reason that I brought up this issue is that, even as lawful as Amway (MLM), there still is unethical + deceptive behavior happening. Just imagine how ethical DCHL operate.

Pro-LB claims that using the Lampe along with the fabulous aromatherapy oil will resulted in most unimaginable benefits. So, I wonder why they didn’t even bother putting up the experimental results in the DCHL webpage. No point bragging about the gimmick experiment that they put up, since we were told that this business is so phenomenal, and so many Arc Duke were generated, why don’t INVEST some money getting a proper product experiment? Having it check on how well it works in Malaysia’s environment. But, hey, guess what, I didn’t see any experimental results when I demand for them to proof such irresponsible claim. Other than that they claim that the product is insured, but according to my knowledge, issuing flammable product with insurance is not a common practice. So, were there even really insured? Or a small part of the Lampe was insured? Who knows! No one answer me either.

Yes I did look through the Consent form, Prospect and Intends and Distributor Agreement available on the Malaysia’s DCHL Webpage, and there are a lot of things that the LB didn’t emphasize upon recruiting. They claim that all the people are signed up to be a PARTNER of Lampe Berger but from that form, you are just merely a worker. So, why do I say so? Let’s see the agreement
2. I’m an independent contractor/businessman and NOT an employee or agent of the company; and is NOT authorized to act on behalf or bind the company or its affiliates, shareholders, directors, officers or employees. - Before I start to comment, I would like to congratulate DCHL for having such term, because they will most likely to win most lawsuit. So, as for those LB “PARTNERS”, you can’t act on behalf of the company… I guess even worse that a real JOB worker since even if he makes mistake, the company will take the responsibility, not like how DCHL handle it, 9. I agree that the company reserves the right and authority to reject this application without assigning any reason whatsoever. WOW! So, if they want to sack you, they do it with style, they just wait for a year until the expired date and denying renewal will do most of the work getting you to leave the company! WOW! They don’t even have to pay a dime. Try to look at the 5&6 rule, “I shall honestly and truthfully…” & “… , I truthfully and honestly portray …” , upon what I mentioned the deception happened, should they say that are honest & truthful? Maybe in their dictionary only exist Winner and Loser, never once Honest being written into that dictionary. WOW! Amazing isn’t it?

And the other form Prospect and Intends are just crap, hmmm… it’s just like buying a car but you never drove it. Yes, I know that the intension was to minimizing the likelihood of exploiting the loopholes, but if you really examine the situation, LB distributor were unknowingly thought to give pressure to friends, playing all sorts of psychology game in their mind. So, to me, I don’t think the form really EXISTED; it is merely serving as dummy for showing the government.

Well, I think this is too long for a comment.
This is One Man’s Perceptions
(Some may ask why I always put this. First of all it is really my point of view. Secondly, I just don’t want to get my ass sued, yes, for Pro-LB people stereotype me if you like~ Nicknaming me “Chicken” or “Dick” or even a “Loser” that whines a lot~ Personally I just don’t care!)

The CALVIN

7:21 AM  
Blogger Cho said...

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11:42 PM  
Blogger Cho said...

Calvin,

You're right. I doubt any/many of them who sign on top even read those T&C. At least I know my friend's brother didn't. That's why when my friend ask me, 'can I sue them?'. I said I doubt it works as I'm pretty sure they have a perfect T&C saving their back if they were to do this kind of scheme. I wasn't sure but now your post verifies.

Seem like our approach will be more to 'building awareness' aiming for ppl who might/about to get involve rather than towards LBlers or even LB itself.

Need to clear up our objective & approach to layout a more effective plan.

& Calvin, I totally agree about legal issue. Make sure we have our back clean (they have their T&C, we should have our OMP-One Man’s Perceptions) to save our back. No point get into trouble and didn't even get productive outcome.

my 2 cents,
Cho.

11:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Everyone!!!,

I'm Ah Wai from MLM. Such a nice post from all of you :)

I admit sometimes the MLMers always use this kind of tactic of luring "potential" people into their business. Eg. N-stream, Synergy, Herbalife, Lampeberger, Amway, Diamond, eCosway, IMagic, NuSkin, CNI and etc.

I'm also ex-anti MLMer just like you all. Proud to be antiMLMers. "MLM is conbusiness" and "StudioTraffic is PONZI SCHEME!" Hehehe... :)

But, AT LAST i realise in this World of Events..."Capitalism"

EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE OR PEOPLE CON YOU...you choose!

Sami Vellu, politicians, MPSJ, MPPJ, MBI, dato, datuks, Thaksin, Arroyo, Suharto, *me* and etc also CONNING people $$$ only what...

I only take little con $$$ while the *people mentioned above* CON the "rakyat" & taxpayer's $$$ BIG TIME! SO what is the FUSS?

I con my lecturer before, i cheat on my exam before, i Ponteng class before, i cheated during SNOOKER, i cheated my fren before, hell i even con my GF before. Hahaha. What is the BIG FUSS?

As i say, EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE or PEOPLE CON YOU...Its a survival skill!

Its better for us, "the little guy with no $$$" to con little $$$, than "the BIG SHOT GOVERNMENT officials" to con the rakyat $$$.

RIght?

I'm DAMN sure the GOvernment DOn't MIND this little $$$ one.

AIyah, we group together as a group of "hardcore anti-lampeberger", then we charge those people who is also "anti-lampeberger" RM 100 each. Then, we also make LOTS of $$$.

Simple calculation,

RM 100 x 10,000 member (ANTI-LAMPEBERGER) = RM 1,000,000!!!!

Then, we BUY Ferrari and BMW to drive to Menara HLA, park at the FRONT and BURN them. This we show that we also can make $$$ ma!!!

DAMN good IDEA...!!!

WE group together ok...WE KEEP in touch! Malaysia BOLEH!

Remember, my name is AH Wai from SYN DCHL Lampeberger :)

1:51 PM  
Anonymous Rodney said...

how much does it cost to buy a lamp berger refil? from

http://www.murraysinteriors.com/Gift-Baskets-p-1-c-17.html

its about 70 ringgit to get 1/2 a liter of that aroma therapy stuff. I'd imagine 30,000 ringgit would get you err... 214.28 liters of those stuff. or 428.5 bottles of the aroma therapy.

ps: even better http://stores.ebay.com/The-Fragrance-Lampe-Store
30 ringgit for 500ml bottle. wow.. selling 1000 bottles is quite a demanding job imo.

9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice article man..ps banned LB...

i have see so many ppl tat fall into LB TRAP.SEE MY FREN DUMP 30K TO INVEST IN LB.WAT THE RETURN? ONLI FEW BOXES OF OIL TAT CANT SELL( KEEP FOR AT LEAST HALF YEAR)..KOLIAN AT HIM... 30K INVEST AT LB... BETTER BUY COOKING OIL.. LAGI UNTUNG....DIEW...

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi..Clavin,,10q for u sharing,,what u say are totally right.,many people attractive in LB biz all are attractive by some luxury car..i ever sponsor by such person...what they act all are very terrible..using court or car or any materialristic material to attract people..In this world where got such easy money we can earn...i strongly believe it..hey friend,,try to think,,,Is tat the oild worth RM30k? u nkow u visit the website i think the oil price are no worth than tat,, and also when u return the product,,will you upline allow..? U also need to THINK what kind of attrititu or LB people?? Is that all are show off? ask uself...dun always blur with it..U know RM30K oild can use whole life...WAkE UP..

Amway as a global leader MLM company who have long and honour and also good history...IF u all always say u are better than Amway...try imagin..do u think u are the oli 1 want duplicate amway marketing plan? i think no oli you...

Is was really terrible..they usually spot at the youngster who are ater gradute for dollege..coz their mindset are new..and would liek to earn money,,,SO sad to heard that case liek borrow from AH LONG or else....haiz...such type of company..will nto stand long..trust us...let us have a look

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Anonymous nojk said...

...........

1st of all, u better read again previous post, 30k not only oil,

2ndly, their marketing plan is not like amway, if u said lb duplicate from amway n many others too do that, does it means u r saying that r many other company doing things that u dun like?

1 more thing, if every1 join lb oso loan from loanshark, they cant stay for 5 years, many ppl die and up to newspaper. this can b conclude by the fact that some jerk r dmging thier image inside, thier kind of doing not limited in lb, if not so many cases of loanshark hurting ppl, didnt show up to b cause by only lb. nah, c here i not defending but the fact u giving is not strong enuff, really no joking.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all,

I am not from LB or anti-LB. Just to be a neutral person to view from this business in different way. For those who are able to read chinese, pls check out this new below; Steven pls help to post this Thnx.

http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.asp?dt=2006-06-20&sec=malaysia&art=0620mb53.txt

12:16 AM  
Anonymous in between said...

im curious why there a group of ppl hate the mlm system so much and why some of them really adore it.(some of my frens joined it and making a lots of money.i dont join coz for me,before i do anything,i want to find out bout it first)bottom line is,no matter how u hate mlm,mlm members or should i say syn team,dont get affected to what all of u r saying in here.i dun want to get in this war.but pls sit back and think.do you think that your anger in here can bring they down?ok, mayb for some of them.but for others,they still making a big money.and to all readers,i dont intend to stop u guys from condemn mlm members,sym team or DCHL.go ahead.but think again,do u think that they really care bout what u r saying in here?
GOD is fair.HE gives us brain to think and eyes to see.and everyone hav a diff way to think and see things.hav u ever think what would happen to the world if every single person in this world join this mlm?? oh god i cant imagine that.ppl will get crazy with their money and there is no one who do the small jobs.and there is no more doctor,pilots......and whos gonna save the world? now i can say that yes we have brain and we can think.but in different way right.?mayb u dun like mlm..but there are some ppl outhere like it very much.and spend alot of money and time doing that business.so for those who dun like the mlm system,would do their current job.and stick to it.and for those who think they can make money from that LAMP, they would go for it.and just let them do it.(no matter how they do it,just let them.as long as no one get harm from it,or die because of syn team action,just let them) because maybe thats their destiny that GOD created for them.and mayb they believe that thats the right thing for them.and thanks for those who r not joining the mlm,(who think the other way round.its not wrong.it just the way how you think) because without u,theres no one left to maintain the world goin on right now..i am here not to stand for syn team right,but as a humanbeing,im concern what happen around me.and i hope theres no such thing as "war between mlm members,or syn team with ppl like us,who do normal job"
i just give out my opinion.
have a god day everyone!

LOVE PEACE

8:36 PM  
Anonymous nge! said...

can u somehow translate this article to malay?

11:41 AM  

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