Sunday, April 09, 2006

Comments from LB

This is the longest comment from an LB member. Lampe Berger Help has decided to put up comments to it.

Anonymous said...

after read u guys post,i had made up a conclusion.

1st of all,it's not bout LB or wat!

yes,we can still live without LB or this company!

but think back,we ppl,wat are we looking for all the times?

1st,how to jump off from bitter life!

2nd,how to find happiness during our life.

How do you define bitter life? How do you define happiness?

Happiness to some would be money. Can money buy a love?

Happiness to some would be sharing a quality time with family and friends,

regardless of money or race nor religion.

think back!why our ancient were led by others races?

because we weren't unite!

I have heard this from one of the Lampe Berger seminars.

did u guys think of it?

y DCHL starts the MLM biz from S.E.A country?especially from Chinese region country?

cause he know,chinese are the smartest race in this world!

but so unfortunately,we chinese act oversmart.

Chinese aint the smartest but the most hardworking.

To lable smartest, the Jews are smarter. Read more darling.

yes,money is not everything,but everything is money!

since human race created money,problems n problems were popped out!

before the revolution begin,we're education blinded,all we got just the strength to survive.

but after revolution,ppl get to school,get educated,and the world change tremendously.

lots of problems occur after revolution,for example materialistic,ppl pursuit for a better life.

but the initial race that jump out from their race was the white skin races.

they came n conquer,they treat us as servant.that's until now they still lead the world.

You are so close minded!!

look back at us,chinese!

we're the smartest n hardworking race in this world.but y we still far left behind?

Oh you mentioned it here.. :)

cause we don't unite!

back to the topic,y DCHL starts from ASEAN country?

cause it's a opportunity for us to conquer back europe n others regions market.

Conquer? We don't need MLM to conquer back europe and other regrions market.

Please think out of the box!! If MLM is the way, China would have given up Industrialization

and forget about their country's property development nor asking for foreign investment.

MLM is an fastgrowing industry.

but not every ppl see the potential behind it!

sure it got pro n contra!

no things in this world perfect!

think back,most company we work for were from outsider,mean those international company.

Oh, means you worked for an international company? Or maybe have not even worked before?

dude,we're making money for those "guai lou".

Dude, you are making money or shall I say, chanelling money to those "Taiwanese"(DCHL)..

Do you understand what "Leakages" (link:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Country+Leakages&btnG=Search) means in business?

we're not making money for ourself!

think back,all the years we were's well educated!

but think back,y we need education?

to build up our personality,not to insult against each other!

we were educated to learn the basic skill of living!

to respect each others!

It is an insult to oneself, who are well educated, but not using what they are being educated

to contribute back to the society.

so y we chinese fight against each other?

Justify this. It is against UN-ETHICAL distributors.!

back to the topic!

LB!it's a scam,some said!

1st of all,LB was just a product name,it's not a company or what!

It's just a product n with only 1 factory at France.It's a trademark of France!Even our Prime Minister use this product,so,nth wrong with the product!

Yes, indeed it is a product. Lampe Berger or LB is being said to potray DCHL or RZ Corporation or Steven Yeam Network(SYN).

People would understand better this way.. so do you.

n the Marketing Plan.It was a fantastic marketing plan!

so,nth wrong also with the plan!

Indeed fantastic Marketing Plan. A plan that let one to invest RM 30,000 and thus when asked for re-fund, uplines

delay the process and so forth. Read HERE. http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com/2006/04/no-solid-foudation-of-business.html#c114458807217933014

Steven.. insert the link :)

now,the industry,MLM.

MLM was just a industry or can say a sales method use by a company to promote their products,same as other business method!Cause with this method,they can save cost like advertising and so on but give it to the distributor who able to sells the products!

I do agree..

and bout recruiting!

which industry in this world doesn't recruit ppl one?

all the things in this world were created because of human's demand!

even though if one day u open an biz,u will definitely recruit ppl!

they get paid by working with u!n u earn more than them,doesn't it a pyramid scheme also???

face the reality of life!

Now I don't really agree. Which other industry is recruiting? Alot I say.

My turn to ask. Which industry that does recruit, and pay regularly, although, it is not a big sum?

And which does not?

And this industry has a limit and which industry doesn't have a limit?

the pioneer always earn more than others under them!that's the fact!

did u ever seen a CEO earn less than a normal worker?

but the hard work puts by the CEO,did u guys ever think of that?

y he can earn more than us???

Because, he builds the company from scratch dude! Tony Fernandes for example!

That is a real solid business you are talking against my dear friend.!! I got no further comment.

ok,talk bout the syn and the 30k.

SYN was a network under Steven Yeam.In this network,we've learn more than just making money!it's not like u guys think,a scam or money game!but maybe they are some guys misuse the syn as a tool of making money!

There aren't any "maybe" but a mere "YES, THERE ARE".

Read the problems HERE http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com

actually from the education taught by syn.we've manage to find the truth of ourselves!

What truth? You are blinded by money and only money. Take some time and reflect my friend.

think back,y we came to this world?

is that our life just working 9 to 5 n retired after 65?

i think all of u guys sure will say no!

we came to this world to enjoy,right?

but in the process of living,sure we'll encounter a lot of problems!

If you labeling working 9-5 is sad, let me tell you what's sadder. YOU!

One must have a clear mind, that everything can be done. You treat working NOT as 9-5, then you will succeed.

You've failed. Why? Because you already say no to 9-5.

Oh didn't SYN taught you to say "Everything is possible. Never say cannot do"??? You've already said no to 9-5 job.

i wanna ask u guys,truthly!

when was the last time u buy ur loves one a gift?when was the last time u really sit down n talk to ur parents!is it our goal in life was just working n keep working like an ant.

Hmm, maybe your love ones demand gifts from you? Not all love ones demand gifts.

When I was in DCHL/Lampe Berger, I don't even have time to sit down and spend time with my parents.

It is most of the time went into PROSPECTING and SHARING and what not!

When did you really sit down and talk to your parents and spare some time with friends?

Oh, wait? Your friends mostly are afraid of spending time with you because you would in-a-way, PROSPECT them!

Surely, they are on your list!

we're human,we know to analysis!

but most of us are selfish!right?

and bout the 30k.come on,it's a biz!i said again,it's a biz!

we invest 30k in this biz cause we believe we can get wat we want from this biz!

but other than that,what we got was something priceless!like experience n the most important,dignity!!!

have u ever ask help from other but was turn down by others?especially the one u think he/she will be the 1st person who stand out to help u when u're in need?

Nope, not for me. They always come to my assistants. Because I am sincere and honest. I spend time with them mostly.

There are reasons why people turn down help. You can't just think one way.

Do you aways get turned down?

do u ever heard the the worker ant got dignity?

Worker ant? I am sure those working for others has more dignity.

Dignity comes from oneself. It is how one see dignity and how one fight for it.

If one just see one failure from working in one company and choose the easy way out (MLM), they have failed their own dignity. They didn't learn that from failure but lose to failure.

i'm not here to insult or wat!

i was just analysis the truth to u guys!

so many ppl out there struggle so hard to find an opportunity that can make their life easier!

y are u guys here wanna spoilt this opportunity???

because u wan them to be like u???

be a worker ant without dignity?

Nope. Because we don't want to see another person whose money are not being returned.

AND we don't want things like in THIS (http://www.brandmalaysia.com/movabletype/archives/2006/04/lampe_berger_a.html) Mack's mother daughter case) happen in future.
We are creating an awareness, which we do seriously think is good. We are not stopping people to join Lampe Berger, but do THINK before joining Lampe Berger.

wake up we chinese!the malay nowadays are over our head already!

we can't just sit there n fight against ourselves!

Why not you think this way. Why Chinese are not fighting hard for the rights?

Go into politics, voice out, join armed forces, join civil service. I've done my part.

Let me share this quote with you.

"To be sinned by silence when one should protest makes coward out of men"

i'm not talk bout politic or racism!

but the fact is y our ancient came so far from big land to nanyang?

think back!

stop here !next time will continue!

I would be glad to reply your comments. ;)

LampeBergerHelp

98 Comments:

Blogger One Man's Perception said...

Steven,
Nice post, I enjoy reading it~
So, how was the meeting? Had come to a conclusion/strategy?

As for our lovely Anonymous who wrote the comment…
I would like you to stop by my blog or send me a mail, justifying DCHL yourself. I need your point of view.

There are two ways to approach a problem, the first is upgrading us, and second choice is discredit your opponent. So, which approach did you take? (I think it is clear enough that readers have their own decisions)

And my suggestion to you is that, when you try to explain things try not to bring up more questions. Try not to flood reader/listener with questions, to me, it sounds like more as a distraction (hoping people will get themselves confused)…

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8:43 AM  
Anonymous Larry Yeong said...

That is by far the worse comment ever.

First of all, what's that about chinese going to conquer the world? You Hitler or Genghis Khan? Stop with the chinese rule the world bullshit. Anyway why you Lampe Berger is so selfish? Share this business with other races. Chinese is not the biggest market out there if you haven't notice it.

Your revolution on education doesn't make any sense. And about history, what have been done is done. Why are you so angry about the white treating you as servants? Don't hold grudges. Be more open since you say we are so close minded.

You mention about respecting others. How about respecting our views on anti lampe berger?

Opportunity? What opportunity does Lampe Berger have to offer? A promise of a BMW? You guys go and recruit people who just out from college and secondary school. Do they know what is opportunity? They have not even seen the real working world and yet you encourage them to borrow money from their dad. What a great opportunity to waste their parent's hard earn money.

Another sad case of a misguided person who fall into the scam of SYN.

8:44 AM  
Anonymous Loong said...

Ummm ... can you ask this guy what the demand is for these lamps? Who pays USD$50 for a fragrance lamp? I can find cheaper alternatives elsewhere.

8:47 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

this Anonymous talk so much,a PRO LB person but I think he dare not to put his name.

SUmmore,I think this fella is already "chau for yap mo" already.He pays the joinng fee and join in as a member of Steven Yeam.I think he pay RM2345 or RM30K and "sold" himself to Steven Yeam.He's job is to generate money for Steven Yeam :P

9:09 AM  
Anonymous Leng said...

When one speaks too much, nonsense is spewed. Both sides spewed. Steven, when you try too hard to be smart, you just fell into the trap - made an ass of yourself!

9:11 AM  
Anonymous Leng said...

b3rnard7, you think and assumed too much. b3rnard7 is your real name?

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Leng said...

Why can't you guys just stick to the FACTS? If you can't, please SHUT UP!

9:14 AM  
Anonymous LB for life said...

I am running a full time Lampe berger business after doing it for 6 months. Within this 6 months, I have gotten myself a BMW. Can anyone of you achieve this in six months? It is because we have faith in the business. So for you guys who keep bad mouthing Lampe Berger. Go get yourself a life. Or maybe join us and we will show you how to get a life.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Clement said...

OMG...these LB guys really lost. U get a BMW in 6 months and now u tell us to get a life? What an arrogant bastard you are.....I can rob a bank for 1Million in 1 day and buy 3 BMWs. So what? Do we go and do that?

I mean, think clearly, this LB business is clearly a money game.
And the lengthy comment posted, it doesn't answer our doubts. They are merely confusing us with theories and philosophies. This is what LB ppl does, confuse you. Tell you stories, answer a question with another question. Bullshit talking about a chance for us Chinese to rule the English ppl. Hey, LB is from france, the more we buy, the more the France company earns, because DCHL directly buy stock from them la stupid!!!! OMG....they are clearly misguided. These LB ppl really....Dun try to con us, we've heard that story a thousand times.

10:34 AM  
Anonymous Clement said...

Oh ya, today i did a good thing. 2 Lampe Berger members heeded my advice, and they starting to move away from LB. They both invested rm30K and regretted it...this is the 2nd time they approached me for advice.

This shows that what i told and showed them the first time really hit them right at the point. TRUTH PREVAILS!!!
Now they are happy doing a business with me with modal less than RM500. The stock can get from my company somemore is FULLY REFUNDABLE. They saw the point, and they left LB...alive. Congratulations to my frens!!! At least they're way happy now. The whole LB structure is an empty Eggshell.

10:38 AM  
Anonymous lb for fuck said...

still you all dont bring any profit to the country..making cash among you people..trash

10:56 AM  
Anonymous anti LB forever said...

steven dun tell me this evening meeting you kena brainwash by those trash LB people then you allow them to post their brainwash treatment in your blog ar..dont forget! we are still anti LB!

11:03 AM  
Anonymous andrew said...

no, steve has not in anyway kena brainwash by LB ppl. in fact none LB ppl dared to come up to us and speak up, despite the fact almost half of Starbux is filled by LB ppl then...

i know. i was there. LB Help was there. and i seriously feel terribly sorry for them. pity even. still walking around in their black blazer and SYN collar pin...

and apparently one of them tried to talk up to a couple seated next to our table. before the couple left, LB Help talked to him. guess what that man's reply is? "Dont worry, we have tools that can solve their(the LB ppl) problem."

whats the meaning behind it? sigh... u guys shud've been there!

12:53 PM  
Anonymous andrew said...

leng... i wonder what r u mumbling about... or u urself dont know wat u're talking about?

anyway u shud've come for the meeting. i'm sure u will get your questions answered, in a much more nicer way!

1:29 PM  
Blogger One Man's Perception said...

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1:31 PM  
Blogger One Man's Perception said...

Definitely a racist, but I suggest that you should put down this post. Because you will get yourself in trouble, this will be interpreted as complicity in spreading sensitive issue.
As for the Anonymous,
Please don’t spread anymore irresponsible comments.
(I just can’t help to have my version of reply, so sorry Steven! For making your comment so long!)
P.S. Anonymous Comments will be in bold, mind will be in italic

Anonymous said...
After read u guys post, I had made up a conclusion. 1st of all, it's not bout LB or what! Yes, we can still live without LB or this company!

I do agree that our society is better off without pyramid scheme! Nowadays DCHL is ignoring the fact that people in the network exploiting these loop holes. So, yes, I don’t think our life is depended on LB. But from what I known, you guys always approaching people by saying “who doesn’t breath? Everyone needs to breath, that’s why there is huge potential in the AIR MARKET”
But now you say people can live without LB, hmmm… your claims are very contradicting.

but think back, we people, what are we looking for all the times? First, how to jump off from bitter life! Second, how to find happiness during our life.
I highly doubt you “think” of this by your own, because it is utterly shallow minded. Yes, we do find better ways to make our life better, but not by putting other in vain, just to get pity Glory.

Think back! Why our ancient were led by others races? Because we weren't unite!
At this point, it is very obvious that you are trying to confuse people by raising an army of Questions. Yes, I’m thinking rite now, our ancestor were once rule by other races, for e.g. Yuan Dynasty/Ching Dynasty, but somehow people improving themselves rather than destroying their opponents, finally the Mongolian’s language/ Manchu’s Language were buried in the time history. Yes, there were times where people are not united, that are not because of amongst of them existed people with corrupted mind. So, please do research after you done your “thinking” part. Also don’t exactly delivered what your upline said, because I can assure you if that speech was came out from his mouth, he is definitely a corrupted mind people.

Did u guys think of it? Why DCHL starts the MLM business from S.E.A country? Especially from Chinese region country? Because he knows, Chinese are the smartest race in this world! But so unfortunately, we Chinese act over smart. Chinese aren’t the smartest but the most hardworking. To label as smartest, the Jews are smarter. Read more darling.
First of all calling other people darling while delivering your perceptions is very unprofessional. Secondly, it is very intimidating (so don’t do that anymore, looks ridiculous and very poor manner). If you studied hard enough you will find the true reason that DCHL start MLM business at South East Asia country is because most of them are Developing Country and in developing country the law is not enforced in a very strict manner. So, good chance for them to operate illegal scheme! Chinese people indeed are not smartest, even worse is that they are not wise either, getting into pyramid scheme is a very good fact that Chinese is not smart. In fact, I do need to thank them for reflecting other’s wisdom. Anyway, smart people always don’t claim themselves smart, because the more a person knows; the more that he felt how limited knowledge he has. In fact upon reading your comment I do found a trace of “Over Smart”, it is you who refuse to read more, yet claiming others to be the lazy one! It is strongly reflecting you are a very prejudice person! If you really did study History, the reason for Jewish people being smart is because their ancestor experiences the cruelty of Hitler, only extraordinary abilities are able to survive. The fundamental rule of evolution stated that only the strong will survive, the weak will be eliminated. So, indeed they need to be Smart and wise to be able to survive. Chinese are known to be hardworking, I do agree if you refer to the elder generations, nowadays amongst young Chinese community, majority people always thinking of shortcuts to get fast money! That is why Pyramid Scheme will not be totally eliminated; it always comes back in another form. As for LB distributor who joined DCHL Network because you were told that you will be financially independent in few years time, you are the one who are not Hardworking. And do try to read through your Distributor Agreement – the sixth condition – that is “will make no specific earning representations or income guarantees”.

Yes, money is not everything, but everything is money!
It is very funny, everything is not money. Their value is represented in the form of Money. The most awful thing to do in finance is to inflating the prices of goods. The prices of these lamps are extremely inflated, and the reason for that is to generate a rewarding plan that so irresistible to materialistic people.

since human race created money, problems n problems were popped out!
Money is not a sin, in fact it is merely a tool, a judging tool for an object’s value, a person’s effort. Problems pop out is because people trying to use illegal ways to get the most money with the least effort. Yes, people always finds way to make things go faster, but that is not what people done with Pyramid Scheme, their merely transferring other’s people wealth into their pocket and hopping that their pocket will be full before the structure collapse.

before the revolution begins, we're education blinded; all we got just the strength to survive. But after revolution, people get to school, get educated, and the world change tremendously. Lots of problems occur after revolution, for example materialistic, people pursuit for a better life.
When you are looking back things at the past of course they are uneducated (comparing with your point of view nowadays). Everyday is an evolution to mankind, but evolution doesn’t always turn to the best, some eventually turnout to be a disgrace to all mankind. Materialistic doesn’t occur after revolution, it is a concept describing a human’s behavior. Please don’t reinventing history/meaning for words. Not only it shows that you never really bother studying a words meaning, it also discrediting you.

but the initial race that jump out from their race was the white skin races. They came n conquer, they treat us as servant. That's until now they still lead the world. Look back at us, Chinese! We're the smartest n hardworking race in this world. But y we still far left behind? Because we don't unite!
Obviously you don’t have any idea of history and the type of races. I won’t go in depth. But the one thing I want to say is Violent is not the most effective way to make others to see in your way. If you want an historical example, please look at the Mongolians – Genghis Khan, once they created a power that swept from Asia to Europe and Africa. But eventually similar to MLM they grow to fast, until they don’t have enough power to keep them under one power.

back to the topic, Why DCHL starts from ASEAN country? because it's a opportunity for us to conquer back Europe n others regions market. MLM is a fast growing industry. But not every people see the potential behind it!
Luckily you know your way back to the main topic, because I was getting to worried that you drift away too far. DCHL starts from ASEAN? Nope, I don’t think DCHL starts from ASEAN! And Speaking of DCHL being the opportunity to conquer back Europe is absolutely naïve! I don’t claim thing without a fact, the reason I call you naïve because DCHL sells France product, at the end how do you actually conquer Europe where the supplier of the product sells their lamps cheaper at there? Let me tell you why DCHL hesitate on expanding their power toward Europe, it is because Europe are mostly Developed country, and their laws are very strict, somehow I don’t think with DCHL’s marketing plan will be anywhere legal in Europe countries. Yes, they do sell Lampe Berger at Europe, but not under DCHL, and most certainly not in MLM structure.

sure it got pro n contra! no things in this world perfect!
I do agree that nothing is perfect. We as humans required justifying the amount of goodness that it provides and if the pros exceed the contras we have to be wise enough to compromise. “Nothing is perfect in this world” is not only not convincing, it is like something an irresponsible person’s answer when someone brought up a subject that you can’t able to answer.

Think back, most company we work for were from outsider, mean those international companies. Dude, we're making money for those "guai lou". We're not making money for ourself!
Okay, I have done my part of thinking, and I found another nonsense declare, let me put it in a more simple way for you to understand, DCHL sells product from France, which means making money for you so call “Guai Lou” also known as Western People. In fact Money in words are often refer to the OBJECT, the more frequently used word for money is Currency! There concept that a person OWN money is totally wrong, because as what the name Currency means is that Money Must be always maintain fluidity that flows. Only the market owns money! And Making Money? Are you trying to counterfeit money? Or you just want to make some paper with some numbers on it and with your face on it? People Earn Money with their effort, not making money, only government are entitled to make money! So next time if you tried to suggesting other people to “READ MORE DARLING, please rethink again.

Think back, all the years we were well educated! But think back, why we need education? To build up our personality, not to insult against each other! We were educated to learn the basic skill of living! To respect each others! So, why we Chinese fight against each other?
Personally I really don’t know why you bragging about this, it is totally off the topic. I guess to you it makes sense, rite? But for courtesy’s sake, I would like to tell you, as I was thinking back, all those year we were well educated, at least we should do is put our education in good use. No preying on students that yet to finished their degrees. Hmmm… my personal experience is that insulting speech always comes from MLM distributor when you don’t agree with them. Yes, after such insulting some anti-LB people might be clouded by anger and spoken vulgarly words. For that I do apologize on behalf of them. But try to understand the situation, who is the one who responsible for starting the fight? Nowadays humans reached a point where they should really see people for being the people themselves, not by categorizing them whether they are Chinese or otherwise. If a person’s perceptions are rotten, people with clear mind will always opposing them. Not by the color of their skin. Again, it shows that you are really a Racist! And do you know what is the worse than fighting amongst Chinese? It is those who cheated on their family members, their friends, and even their own race! Take advantage of their trust!

back to the topic!
You should do this a long time ago!

LB! It’s a scam, some said! 1st of all, LB was just a product name, it's not a company or what! It's just a product n with only 1 factory at France. It's a trademark of France!
Almost everyone knows what LB by now, of course we know LB is a product’s trademark (not trademark of France) which is produce by a French company. We all use LB for the sake of making the story shorter. As for the argument over “Scam”, DCHL marketing scheme have flaws, and people are exploiting it, which resulted as a Scam!
Suddenly I realize you know LB is from France, but how come you don’t understand it just now when you are claiming “Dude, we're making money for those "guai lou".”. It is amazing how people said things in such an extremely contradicting way

Even our Prime Minister use this product, so, nothing wrong with the product! And the Marketing Plan. It was a fantastic marketing plan! So, nothing wrong also with the plan!
Can you please provide evidence to show our Prime Minister use the product? If you can’t find any evidence on the Prime Minister using LB, never mind, the only concern is on “HOW FANTASTIC THE MARKETING PLAN IS?” Now no one implicate the product have problem, we only questioning about it’s over claimed functionality and the prices sold under DCHL

Now, the industry, MLM. MLM was just an industry or can say a sales method use by a company to promote their products, same as other business method! Because with this method, they can save cost like advertising and so on but give it to the distributor who able to sells the products!
Yes MLM is a way of selling product, a means to promote product. The only similarity is only the fact they sell products! Other than that, conventional business has nothing in comment with MLM. As for your concern, Amway was the first MLM company that emphasis on lowering the product cost, but now, they have billboards all on Malaysia (if I remember correctly there are two of them, one is at the high way near Penang), they even have their advertisement on Reader Digest. Sooner or later when markets saturation becomes extremely severe, they will certainly start Advertising. Okay, lets say DCHL will never ever advertise, but doesn’t it strange that the Lamps and the Fuel are so Expensive?

and bout recruiting! Which industry in this world doesn't recruit people one? All the things in this world were created because of human's demand! Even though if one day you opens a business, you will definitely recruit people! They get paid by working with you! And you earn more than them, doesn't it a pyramid scheme also???
If you haven’t study MLM thoroughly please don’t make any comment okay? Please read the information on http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html under the section of (The Real World), one of the weaknesses of the MLM Company is management of supply and demand. So, don’t talk about human’s demand when the weakness of MLM is that. The sad thing is that you doesn’t even bother read the definition of “Pyramid Scheme”, so, once again, I have to use your own words against you Please “Read More Darling”!

face the reality of life!
Isn’t it ironic? The one who obscure about the reality ask the world to face the reality!

the pioneers always earn more than others under them! That’s the fact!
Nope, in business the one that understands the markets needs earn the most, and for those whom are an employee, only the most caliber get promoted. It is based on what the capable of doing, not by how early they are in. If you need example, Apple company was the pioneer in mass producing households computers, but why the market share have been taken over by Microsoft and Intel? It is because the latter parties knows what the market want. As for employment, do you think that employer will promote slackers even though they have working since the day one the company was established? Yes, I do agree that the pioneers have the advantages of getting a bigger market share, but that is only one of the factor for success, not the dominant factor, so, try not to be so ignorant when you see things, of course getting the full picture is good, but you shouldn’t neglect other important factors.

did u ever seen a CEO earn less than a normal worker?
Yes happen to know a CEO that earn less than his employee, try to read this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12100195/), “Google CEO, co-founders stick to $1 salary”, they earn by improving the company, hence indirectly he earns from his share.
Okay, I do think that is a very odd case. But yes, I do know a CEO that earn less than his worker!

But the hard work puts by the CEO, did u guys ever think of that? Why he can earn more than us???
Once again I have totally no idea on what you are talking about, totally not related to what you should be saying, and that is not all, leaving some question hanging in the middle of the air, So, most of the CEOs earn more than regular workers because they are the one who help to shape the company image and improving it’s value in everyway he can.

Ok, talk about the SYN and the 30k. SYN was a network under Steven Yeam. In this network, we've learn more than just making money! It's not like u guys think, a scam or money game! but maybe they are some guys misuse the SYN as a tool of making money!
“SYN was a network under Steven Yeam” WAS? Steven Yeam has been fired? So, even you foresee the doomsday of SYN. What do you learn? Learn to give some confusing speech? Or learn to use psychology game with your Targets? Or just plainly con people into the Money GAME? Okay, maybe some guys misuse SYN and making it a Pyramid Scheme, but why during seminars even the top ranked people gives such an irresponsible speech? When “some guys” becomes “majority of the guys”, it will be only two possibility, the first is the Top Ranked person run this business as a money game, or the other possibility is that he/she must be a very ignorant people for not being able to maintain integrity of the DCHL network.

Actually from the education taught by SYN. We've manage to find the truth of ourselves!
So, the truth of yourself have to be told by someone else. Hmmm… for all those years I thought we are the only one who understands ourselves better than anyone else. Hmmm… anyway, Legal MLM teach people about the product and the ethics of conducting business during their seminars, not by showing off their wealth.

think back, why we came to this world? is that our life just working 9 to 5 n retired after 65? I think all of u guys sure will say no! We came to this world to enjoy, right? but in the process of living,sure we'll encounter a lot of problems!
if just now your “REVOLUTION” speech mentioned materialistic, I think this would be a perfect example for showing the world how materialistic you are. We come to this world to contribute to this world. Not to enjoy! Working is nothing to be ashamed, at least they are contributing to this world. And don’t try to give yourself credit by disgracing other’s occupation.

I wanna ask u guys, truthly! When was the last time u buy your loves one a gift? When was the last time u really sit down n talk to your parents! Is it our goal in life was just working n keep working like an ant.
to my knowledge, having a business is even more stressful than working for others, because employee are subjected to less issues, e.g. companies profits, marketing, legal issues…etc… So working isn’t that bad at all. Again when did I buy my love one’s gift has nothing to do with MLM, unless you intended to buy her a Count or some lamps. And the motivational classes that they have kept brainwashing people until youngster came home late night. So, you tell me, working have more personal time or doing MLM (those that run it like Pyramid Sheme, I’m not implicating the whole MLM)

we're human, we know to analysis! But most of us are selfish! Right? And about the 30k.come on, it's a business! I said again, it's a business!
As for you knowledge, my family donate to charity on monthly basis, and we contribute about RM 800 a month. And a lot of my friends support World Vision by adopting a child for them to be able to study. And it always amuse me that, your words are not consistent, first you say we are all human, then you go into we know how to analysis, then go into we are selfish, yet you still dare to ask “RIGHT?”, after that saying 30k = business… I wonder you really know how to analysis

We invest 30k in this business because we believe we can get what we want from this business! But other than that, what we got was something priceless! like experience n the most important, dignity!!!
If you really do belief in what you believe, great for you, but I do have my perception, I don’t think you are heading for something good. And I don’t want the majority following your path of destruction. You got what? Priceless? Hmmm… I guess painful lesson can also consider as priceless

have u ever ask help from other but was turn down by others? Especially the one you thinks he/she will be the 1st person who stand out to help u when you're in need?
I always do my best before I ask for help, so, when I asked for help people will know indeed I need their help. And in return I always unquestionably help my friend when my ability affords. So, I wonder why your friends so selfish, maybe same type of people tends to live together

i'm not here to insult or wat!
with such an intimating speech still have the guts to say he is not here to insult other’s. I really wonder is this what he learn in SYN (aka priceless thing lessons)

i was just analysis the truth to u guys!
If you want real analysis try to read more, and think more, not deliver what were said by your upline! That is not think, that is plagiarism!

So many people out there struggle so hard to find an opportunity that can make their life easier! Why are u guys here want to spoilt this opportunity??? Because u wan them to be like u??? Be a worker ant without dignity?
Yes, indeed a lot people struggle to survive, but doesn’t mean that some people take advantage of their desperate situation! If the so call Opportunity is so great, the people will rush toward DCHL without the need for you to pay a single dime. People from outside of DCHL can’t spoil the opportunity, they are merely stating the fact, the one who are truly responsible for spoiling the opportunity is LB distributors themselves. With all the deception + contradicting + misleading + inconsistent, you still found dignity within your soul, I am astonished!

wake up we Chinese! The malay nowadays are over our head already! We can't just sit there n fight against ourselves! I'm not talk bout politic or racism!
It is good that our fellow Malays getting a better life, but the reason development Chinese sector slows down rapidly not because other peoples gaining, in fact it is people who seeks for short cut and people who are such an racist that makes our race ashamed! I wonder why almost all the pro-LB distributor aways do ironic things, “Wake UP we Chinese!”?!!! you are the “Chinese” who should be waking up! Hmmm… you are not talking about racism…. But Sorry, your saying doesn’t consistent with your act!

but the fact is y our ancient came so far from big land to nanyang? Think back! Stop here! Next time will continue!
Once again try to make reader confuse by non-related question! I would strongly recommend that you send a copy of your next comment to me. I will be glad to answer all your views.

1:40 PM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

Hehe..

Conclusion of the meeting and strategies are yet to be compiled.

It will be thru various channels we are looking into to bring forth this matter to the larger audience of the public.

No plans yet, but yet a mere idea.

You think this comment really Sxxks big time?

Read the recent post I have in my blog. Totally disgrace to the community.

7:24 PM  
Blogger johnlim said...

Here is the typical dialog when I chat with "self acclaimed successful" LB members

LB: "You see, I join 6 months only can drive BMW liao!"

Me: "Wow, you buy by cash ah?"

LB: "Where got people buy cash one?"

Me: "Oh, then one month loan how much?"

LB: "2.5k only mah."

Me: "Oh 2.5k only hio, then what make you so proud?"

LB: "Hey, I earn 5k a month leh!"

Me: "5k a month, wow!" (wow for their brave act. 5k a month buy a BMW? Crazy frog!)

LB: "So you want to join or not?"

Me: "Hey, my friends doing 2nd car dealer one told me, every month got a low of BMW kena tow back because of bad loan leh, according to them most are doing MLM business one, donno LB members contribute or not?"

LB: "Every business sure got failure case one mah.."

Me: "But most from MLM one wor? Means MLM failure rate is high?"

LB: "er...."

Me: "If after 3 years you still drive your BMW please come back to me ok?"

Dialog end.

8:01 PM  
Blogger johnlim said...

wake up we Chinese! The malay nowadays are over our head already! We can't just sit there n fight against ourselves! I'm not talk bout politic or racism!
Wow, scary lor! I don't know that DCHL already "improve" to this extend alraedy, use dirty tactics like "racism" to con people. ISA, please quickly go and shut down DCHL before anything bad happen!

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Clement said...

That LB guys is definitely a parrot.
I've heard the exact points he mentioned from another LB member. Definitely his upline taught him and he reiterated it like a parrot. I guess his brain is the size of a parrot's brain too....lol

That's what i said when LB ppl like to answer questions with questions. And giving tonnes of philosophies and theories of life.....and in the process, he insulted everyone, including his own parents.

8:32 PM  
Anonymous VF said...

The post from the Anonymous shows our education system still needs further fine-tuning. This guy is a total racist and have no respect for the country where he's raised. It's embarassing Malaysia still face such situation where one race still looks down upon other races.

8:37 PM  
Blogger TreVesco said...

LB for life,

ok,

come back and tell us when you fully own the BMW - cos in fact, your car is still being owned by the bank.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous VF said...

I wonder what type of seminars are being organized by DCHL for the past few years? To educate the LB members of what their race is capable of and to condemn other races?
Probably we should invite the ISA to attend those seminars.

8:44 PM  
Blogger TreVesco said...

Steven,

nice post you have.

your sharp answer shows the arrogant mentality of those LB members.

somehow I have strong sense that LB will have big hard time ahead...

with our UNITY

8:49 PM  
Blogger TreVesco said...

Clement,

that's why i said that are robot in my post

http://trevesco.blogspot.com/2006/04/mlm7-say-no-to-lb-mlm.html

they are just... programatically trained...

like zombie also...

8:54 PM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

BMW in 6 months?

Well, sometimes you really have to knock your head on the wall. If you can service your car loan up to its final payment, congrats to you.

2.5k loan per month. It's one month salary, the least.

Oh ya, when DCHL closes down, expect a bunch of BMWs to be sold cheaply at the car lelong. I believe the car market will be suddenly oversupplied by LB members themselves.

That's when you should get a cheaper BMW.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Jefferson Young said...

calvin,

You've done a very good job. I guess 'anonymous' didnt put on his thinking cap while he is commenting.

Btw, anonymous if you are reading this, I (owner of my company) was paid RM500 a month for a period of 8 months to maintain my business. My partners was eating bread with fried eggs everyday.

I admit we tooked more than 6 months (4 years to be exact) to achieve what we now but at least we do it in a legal way. As a metter of facts, I make more friends instead of loosing them.

I'm not gonna brag to much about myself but I just want you to know that not only your 'CEO' is willing to sacrifice.

9:19 PM  
Blogger johnlim said...

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9:42 PM  
Blogger johnlim said...

I start my business 7 years ago without any monthly salary. I achieve what I want to achieve after 5 years of hard work. I don't need to shout about my personnel achievements, those who know me will know. IMHO, if one person is a real successful person, he don't need to shout "I drive BMW in 6 months". People around him will recognize and respect him automatically and spread the news for him. Doing business by conning people, you cannot get far. Yes, you might get rich, but you cannot get respect and sustainability.

9:44 PM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

True that JohnLim

10:05 PM  
Anonymous andrew said...

Here's my piece on him too...

==================================
Actually from the education taught by SYN. We've manage to find the truth of ourselves!

Actually from the teachings of Lord Buddha, we've (Buddhists) managed to find the truth of ourselves too!
===================================

think back, why we came to this world? is that our life just working 9 to 5 n retired after 65? I think all of u guys sure will say no! We came to this world to enjoy, right? but in the process of living,sure we'll encounter a lot of problems!

yup, i'd say NO. no to your shortsighted opinions! and no, we're not here to just enjoy.

i'm not sure what religion you profess (LB,DCHL and SYN maybe?), but as a Buddhist myself, i understood that we come to the world due to the cycle of death and rebirth. due to our karma. due to our attachments to life.

"life, itself is suffering" said the Teacher. "material pleasures are all but impermanent. only true knowledge prevail. and only with enlightenment, u shall break free from the clutch of sufferings."

thus i have lived my life in Middle Path, just like the Teacher himself. not too poor, nor with too much excess. just enough. no greed nor lavish. enough of everything. just perfect.

and i need no MLM to teach me what is life.
===================================

We invest 30k in this business because we believe we can get what we want from this business! But other than that, what we got was something priceless! like experience n the most important, dignity!!!

strange, i know alot of ppl who joined many other MLMs, esp. Amway, said the very same thing BUT minus the RM30K part...

does this mean other MLM's dreams are not as precious as LB's or simply, u can achieve the same without having to fork out rm30k (+rm2345)?
===================================

Is it our goal in life was just working n keep working like an ant. Be a worker ant without dignity?

this my friend show's how much respect u have for others. this means that since u've joined the upper class by joining LB, so such workers are nothing but dirt on earth. how shallow and undignified you are!

aren't worker ants part of the system? they're the one that does works in the background, the true organisms that move the whole machinery of society! what do you contribute? selling dreams and empty promises?

what if worker ants dont work? does the king and queens of ants still get to eat by just sitting around goyang kaki? what if ur downline dont recruit other downlines, do u still have the money to pay for ur Banyak Makan Wang?

what if the worker ant dont work? the rotting process of dead organisms will take months and u're left to bear with the stench.

what if all Alam Flora (garbage disposal) workers dont work, they just concentrate in LB, since throwing garbage work has no dignity (according to LB speak) try and see who dispose the rubbish for you. frankly, stinking garbage in your house really put dignity in your life eh?

oh, how could i forget? just burn an LB lamp and there goes all the smell! BULLSHIT!

fact is, every ppl in the society plays a part, no matter how low they are in your eyes. we definitely cannot live without these "undignified worker ants" but surely the world would be a better place to live in without Con man like you. u're not in anyway more dignified than such worker ants.

Cantonese proverb, "Kow ngan hon yan tai" (a dog's eyes who looks down on ppl) literally meaning, a dog is already shorter than most men, yet these dogs decided to look down on ppl as if they're taller than human.

man, how much lower can you go?
===================================

i'm truly sad for these brainwashed acolytes (or parrots, whatever u name it).

10:11 PM  
Blogger johnlim said...

andrew, great comment. I would like to add some more.

Worker ant is an important part of the society. I think they're very respectable even though what they earn might not be alot. At least, they CONTRIBUTE!

Let's ask 10,000 people the answer the following question:

Question 1:
What job contribute to the society?
A. Floor cleaner
B. Rubbish collector
C. Toilet cashier
D. Lampe Berger franchisor

Question 2:
What job create value to the society?
A. IT programmer
B. Bank cashier
C. Multimedia designer
D. Lampe Berger franchisor

Question 3:
If you have a choice, which of the following people you would always try to avoid and mix with?
A. Floor cleaner
B. Rubbish collector
C. Toll cashier
D. IT programmer
E. Bank cashier
F. Multimedia designer
G. Lampe Berger franchisor

I think the result is obvious. Become a Lampe Berger franchisor will not gurantee wealth to you, but will guratee to make you a society rubbish immediately.

10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if we are going to talk about racial perceptions, here's one:

chinese men have small dicks.

chew on that.

11:02 PM  
Anonymous andrew said...

well... a fully functional small dick is way much better than a non-functional or viagra-dependant big dick. i could not ask for more.

LOL!

11:34 PM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

Oh about our Prime Minister using the product.

It is a gift from the Ambassador of France to Dr. Mahathir.

During the French Idustries Expo.

So, that is the "claim" that our dear Dr. M is using the product but in fact, he just received it as a gift.

11:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i bet our PM receives a lot of stuff he doesn't use

11:47 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

To Leng: U as a "lame beggar" distributor,here I got sumthing to tell u tat u r working for STeven Yeam,and do u think he will give u a damn? If u r becoming "count",he wll congrats u....but if u haven't naik pangkat...maybe he ask u to work harder so tat he can still earn....If u give up and u 1 a refund do u think he will entertain u? Maybe he will say to u wif these word leng "Is not my business".

Leng,yes I think but not assume.I tell the truth behind all these LB ppl,I feel disgrace and dissapointed when I read the news in the star paper few months ago and saw a lot of young ppl in our age has been brainwash and using their parents money to do such a scam and conning ppl around in order to get back their ROI.

To LB for life:Well,which bank give u the approval to loan a BMW car within 6 months? Ru trying to say tat u complete the BMW payment within 6 months or the bank give u approval after 6 months? Pls tell me which bank is tat...maybe is DCHL/SYN bank?

I also know how LB ppl get their BMW thru the bank loan which is "some kind of help" from their upline,apply loan from 5 different banks which I heard from a "ex-count" of LB mention b4 after he invest RM30K,and he feel regret of it! Finally the car is been sold to 2nd car shop.

Every1 can buy a BMW,but to "feed" the car ru able or not? (maintainance,petrol and etc)

LB for life: U have the faith of the business in LB? I think u only have the faith in conning ppl's money in order to pay ur BMW car loan,maintainance of the car and the petrol for it only.I know most LB ppl talk this but the true is like wat I say just now.

12:07 AM  
Anonymous yowchuan said...

I got one pretty cool reply too...

His reply seems to answer for itself; the legality and validity of the SYN's business plan.

1:30 AM  
Blogger ^||DaReDeviL||^ said...

guys, i've been receiving a lot of comments in my blog here.. http://menghua84.blogspot.com/2005/09/lampe-berger-bullshit.html#comments
I would be glad if someone can post their comments there other than receiving all those fuck words from LB members.. sigh.. Its tired to read those fuck words all around from those LB members

3:15 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi daredevil,

Let them come here.. I have yet to see
such high level of dissatisfaction in here.

They'll be blown to bits.

4:13 AM  
Anonymous aaron said...

guys keep up the good work..will soon be setting up a real chat room for everyone..lets all work together n kick the shit of out them..

5:55 AM  
Anonymous Help my ass said...

LB Help might need to look for another job? maybe try Amway or Cosway Help? hahaha

6:39 AM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

Help my ass,

I am LB Help.
And the one in bold is my reply to the PRO LB guy.

Don't misunderstood :P

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Clement said...

Please go to
www.blueserver.org/forums

i started the Lampe Berger topic and is gaining heat there. 2 separate threads created already, i dunno who's the other guy who created the other thread there. Check it out!

12:16 PM  
Blogger wyeling said...

b3rnard7 said...
I also know how LB ppl get their BMW thru the bank loan which is "some kind of help" from their upline

I heard this part, said by the duke of my ex,(i dun wan to name any names here) "when we make our money, we will apply income-tax, we will report wht we earn, thn we can get the loans to buy a big car n big hse to impress" my ex actually bought it , borrowed lots of money to invest. today he's no where but a uni drop-out n still struggling hard to even buy a kancil.

clearly, thy r using their assets to pull kids in.. it's all abt being materialistic :(

7:49 PM  
Blogger wyeling said...

but hey, i doubt thy actually contribute part of their earnings to the government..

i heard also the last time, tht thy said thy will set up a company tht does not reflect DCHL as its core business. it seems the duke once said tht it isn't really a legitimate business where the banks would grant you loans to get a car. so by setting up this fake plan company, all of them can actually buy their cars to use it as a tool to pull in their target students.

very sad..

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this guy more like joking, he mayb even a anti mlm that pretend to b lb n making nuts here n there,

remember the word "mayb"

i think the best is that ppl who give facts,

ppl which give comment such as, i heard, i heard...

..................................

pls give fact, if wat u heard sure is true, than ur life is too well to b true...

i not asking a debate here, but TOO much ppl giving nuts, saying that my xxx doing xxx than bcome xxx in the end xxx.......

nice story, yeah it is nice, stories r no stories, fact is wat v need,

Question 1:
What job contribute to the society?
A. Floor cleaner
B. Rubbish collector
C. Toilet cashier
D. Lampe Berger franchisor

every job in the society does contribute, even the thief does contribute, raper too got contribute, it is whether they contribute more or less.

Question 2:
What job create value to the society?
A. IT programmer
B. Bank cashier
C. Multimedia designer
D. Lampe Berger franchisor

there aint job create value, it is human who create value, even a jalior got he/her own value.

Question 3:
If you have a choice, which of the following people you would always try to avoid and mix with?
A. Floor cleaner
B. Rubbish collector
C. Toll cashier
D. IT programmer
E. Bank cashier
F. Multimedia designer
G. Lampe Berger franchisor

this is a good question, the most thing i ever hate is for those ppl who avoid to mix with other, the question itself got problem, it should b who u 1 2 avoid not wat prof u 1 2 avoid, ur uncle who was mlm but nice to u and ur relatives that doing big biz but is a jerk,

i doesnt 1 2 flame, but asking this kind of dump question doesnt giv facts, it is like u 1 2 express urself, giv facts, it is the basic for every arguement.

2:40 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

lol

9:07 AM  
Blogger Cho said...

How could they say it's "CHINESE HELPING CHINESE" while China with the biggest CHINESE population close door on this? The distract tactic doesn't work coz it's not sensible.

Conquer the world it seems. What will really happen is they drag all this youngsters in before they have completed the full edu system, what can they do in future other than MLM then? Ruining ppl's future yet they call it conquer the world...

MLM is definately NOT adding value to society nor country nor global. Unless they're talking in alien language. Coz by EARTH definition of Adding value, they're definately out.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Well,...this young ppl are just a "pawn" for Steven Yeam only.

They think they can conquer the world with the "amount" of the ppl in their office in HLA? Even the Malaysian Royal Army "amount" is more than them a lot!

They think tat they can 双手遮天 (use their hand to conquer the sky) but is just a dream only.They alwasy dream and never get awake.

7:04 PM  
Anonymous en language marketing network said...

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11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what the hack, u guys keep avoiding neutral blogger's question, well i no u guys really hate lb, but oso nonid avoid us gua, it is like in election, u cant avoid neutral ppl.

anyway, syn giv a reply of "lol" means anything?

u cant underestimate the power of neutral, tell u wat, v do receive many info from many side, it is like they r going to stop the promotion of 30k, so much fo a promotion but it is like its end,

and from singapore there, they going to hold a press conference by july 18th, or something, dunno wat is that la,

AND, remember to say 10q after receiving info from others:)

lastly, it is sad that u guys that think urself smart, blinded not even look in to the comments is like an idiot wrote, more like acting too, sadly, degrade for those

9:18 AM  
Anonymous Black Steed Rider said...

ok, allow me to say this for the neutrals.

when ppl talk bad about something, u don have to believe 100%, take it with a pinch of salt, and do some investigations ON UR OWN to determine if it's true or not.

same goes when ppl talk good or promoting on some thing. u don have to believe 100%, take it with a pinch of salt, and do some investigations ON UR OWN to determine if it's true or not.

while doing investigations, keep a clear head also as what u found out may not be to your liking. neither does it mean that what u found would be absolute truth.

truth is subjective. it may be correct one time and wrong in another time. some examples:

Case #1
One fella got into accident and went to the hospital. doctor says only little injury and gave him outpatient treatment. later at nite that fella died of internal bleeding.

Case #2
one doctor may diagnose u with untreatable cancer and predict ur gonna die in 3 months time. when a 2nd opinion (check with another doctor) is obtained, doctor says it's just some small problem, take a few pills for to weeks and u're back in the pink of health.

so what u see in front of ur eyes may not be the truth. seek it for urself. u'll know it's the truth if it goes along with the general principle of morality. u'll know it's the truth deep inside ur heart. always keep this in mind, "kalau tidak angin bertiup, manakan pokok akan bergoyang?"

10:00 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi anonymous,

lol - Laughing out loud ( in case you dunno).

Btw, no more 30k promotion? Good, I support DCHL on this move.

It's better, this "promotion" has killed lots of people.

And futhermore, less Count Generation Bonus for you guys ya.

LBs upline make the most money out of Count Generation Bonus.

That's why they always ask you to invest in 30k.

Lousiest marketing plan by DCHL.

4:45 PM  
Anonymous Leng said...

b3rnard7 said... To Leng: U as a "lame beggar" distributor,here I got sumthing to tell u tat u r working for STeven Yeam,and do u think he will give u a damn?

See, I told you that you assumed too much. I am not even a member of LB and I would be very happy if this unethical practise is stopped. So don't try to be too smart ... go back to my postings and READ with open eyes and mind.

If you continue to put your case from extremes, you lose your objective and credibility. Think about that.

7:47 PM  
Anonymous abc said...

"I am sure those working for others has more dignity."

my gawd wat a joke.

don't over-generalise and u seem to be quite uninformed in arguing your "facts".

3:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not uninformed. Ignorant is more like it. And threin lies the danger - ignorant people talking like experts. LOL!

5:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LB people SUX!

8:50 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Leng said...

Why can't you guys just stick to the FACTS? If you can't, please SHUT UP!

I think u better SHUT UP! if u r not interested in here.U only got 2 choices

1) ANTI LB
2) Support LB ?

11:25 AM  
Anonymous Leng said...

b3rnard7, ur mind is so closed that you just refused to accept dissenting views. U have so far REFUSED to answer my questions. Is this the way you promote the cause?

6:33 PM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

leng,question u have ask me? I dun even see a question so far here.

If u not interested in here,just get out from here ok? or u dun understand english?

I can type here in chinese if u 1.

如果你没兴趣在这里,你可以回家!

7:35 PM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

Why the hatred among each other?
I jus don understand why?

Chill people..

7:53 PM  
Anonymous Leng said...

No hatred here, Lampe Berger Help. Just want to put some sense into this kiddo. Want to be a champion? Do it with an open mind and you earn my respect. Don't lah ask people to get out just because you cannot defend your arguments!

11:33 PM  
Anonymous nojk said...

now is lol which syn said is laugh out loud...

i kind of agree with leng, asking ppl get out of here? u think u r yip meh, at my point of view, u r more lausy than lb, i no u so desperate to kick lb, but u had a lot of friendly fire cases.

but yip u lol bcoz my post funny? or wat? i kind of mind, u no.

thats too many ppl assuming lb ppl get 2nd hand car or rent car or wat so ever, i found that it is really sad that they dun even show the fact or atleast post a pic,

u think they really will kill u meh? if they did, than u r hero, u help to make an evidence to sue dchl.

the 30k promotion, it actually discount u 7k, which i dun think it make any diffrent for ppl who join, after all, is just promotion.

for ppl who think they use 30k to get a bunch of lamp, read the previos post which adi state that 30k is to buy product that cost 45k,

.................

really sien when ppl dunno accept the true, u talk to them tell them wat u think, they still fix ur image like wat he think...haizzzzzz

11:49 PM  
Blogger One Man's Perception said...

Leng or Nojk,
Well, do drop a message on my site, and hopefully you can provide me some in-depth information.

Cheers,
Calvin

By the way, for your information, the true value of the product is very questionable. RM 45k might be the price tag DCHL put up. The true values still need to verify.

Blog: lampeblogger.blogspot.com
Email: lampeblogger@gmail.com

12:16 AM  
Anonymous Leng said...

FYI, I never said that I am a member of LB. I just hope to see this thing argued out objectively becos when you come from the side of extreme you lose no matter what. That kiddo is just spoiling everything here.

And the RM45K, ask him to go fly kite. Even if it comes with 50% discount but cannot sell, what for?

It is bad enough to have the young students not knowing how to differentiate, now you have one idiot trying to play expert! He is just way out of the league!

No more replies to whatever he has to say.

12:28 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Leng said...

FYI, I never said that I am a member of LB. I just hope to see this thing argued out objectively becos when you come from the side of extreme you lose no matter what. That kiddo is just spoiling everything here.

And the RM45K, ask him to go fly kite. Even if it comes with 50% discount but cannot sell, what for?

It is bad enough to have the young students not knowing how to differentiate,now you have one idiot trying to play expert! He is just way out of the league!

No more replies to whatever he has to say.


Who do u mean by the words tat I bold here? Dun try to backstab here ok? Instead U even didnt ask me a question also.N I dun see what is the question tat u wanna ask.

2:57 AM  
Blogger Lampe Berger Help said...

Let's just start over..

Leng, spill the question again..

9:33 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

As for me,is all over liao,I dun 1 2 start quarrel over and over and over agin with tat "lamer". Just focusing on the new topic on top is better than questioning again.

3:24 PM  
Blogger wyeling said...

to leng & b3rnard7

united we stand, divided we fall :)

7:25 PM  
Anonymous nojk said...

united? v got diffrent thing in mind, even v take the same couse to the destrution of dchl.

in pysical form, v realy divided lo, but like he said, start a new topic, from the very begining, flaming DOEST help here, using ur feeling to against ppl or company, suffer urself. v need to b calm,but not cool or cold or watever.

as u c, i m neutral, so i give that info juz bcoz it is funny to c how u guys react to it, but further info, $ is wat v all need, haha, (kidding like a kiddo)

u think i phantom meh, always provide info,
no joking lo

3:46 AM  
Blogger One Man's Perception said...

nojk,
I don't know what your intention is, Anyway, maybe fooling around? or maybe just another boring soul? who know?! but one thing for sure, that is You doesn't sounds like a neutral party at all.

One Man's Perceptions
Calvin

9:16 AM  
Anonymous nojk said...

One thing I'm so sure is neutral is always attack or offence by both side. It is reasonable for you to think that I am not neutral.

I do not know what kind of perceptions you having, but I said flaming does not help, it is true because flaming only weaken you base of facts. You see, through out history, people who won the war got strong mind and they always stay calm to think. All I going to say here, is with strong facts on your side, there are nothing you should afraid of. So, flaming does not help.

What ever perceptions, I got no interest at it. I really not joking.

If you still so firm that I am not neutral, than thats your problem.

10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nicholas87 here.

hey, lb for life..
hope u will read this...

u said u joined LB for 6 months n now u got yourself a BMW.
well done, first i would like to congratulate u!
but, now i got some questions for u..

how long u need to pay the instalments? 9 years?
is it a second-hand car?

honestly, dun lie...

n what trevesco said is true. the car is not yours until u finish paying your instalments!
u stil got how long to go? 9 years?
hahahaha...

is each n everyone of your downline is earning money now?
or some r still dreaming about earning something like 5 digits a month..? even they have failed to earn a single cent after joined for a quite some time already..

n one more question, do u think u r able to keep that BMW with u for the coming years, at least 5 years??? do u think u r able to pay the maintenance cost for your car for at least the coming 5 years???

if u r earning a few thousands right now, how much have u spend on your BMW??? if u r spending most of your income on your BMW, just to show others that LB is a very profitable 'business', u know what i m going to tell u...

if u r reading this, answer me honestly...

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

somethings wrong with his grammar lolx.. kinda difficult to understand

11:43 AM  
Blogger One Man's Perception said...

Nojk,
I just realized the reason that why I think you are not neutral. It is because you speak with the tone of arrogance, and it somehow reminds me on my encounter with MLM people. Your action were very intimidating, I think the reason that you always being neutral yet facing critics from both sides is because the way you deliver your message.
From my experiences, if you really mean neutral, you should state your message in more polite way. Anyway, it is just a suggestion, no hard feeling!

One Man’s Perceptions
Calvin

7:19 PM  
Anonymous nojk said...

Thanks for your advice, I though I not going to post any, but your advice does help alot. I dont mind critics, because it is critics that help us grow or improve. However, if you think that only people in multi lelvel marketing got tone of arrogance, than you might be wrong.

Anyway, I am not the issue here, here is all about anti-lb, but there still people who so pissed of by the BMW.

You just want the company to collapse, so why you so bother about the cars they driving?

It is so usual that neutral will face both side's critics, but does not matter. I do not care even if LB really can success or it will crumble now. To me, this is just another entertainment.

No point of joking.

10:23 PM  
Blogger One Man's Perception said...

nojk,
Nicely put, you see, if you put your heart into delivering some idea! Others will certainly understand!

I agree with your point of view. WOW, for a second there I wonder you were not NOJK~

Nice comment!

One Man's Perceptions
Calvin

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Blogger june2 said...

To all,
Feel deeply sad to see all the fighting comment to each other! No matter what business field you are into but pls respect human's decision! Pls use your "word" wisely instead of fight each other on a topic of LB, SYN or DCHL. Every single human in this world has their own "choice" - pls respect their decision! As this will be his/her coming path to go through!

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If LB / SYN is scam, why til now nobody take any action yet? At least point out what's wrong in their plan? Everyone is talking abt the 30K, but what's wrong with that? Why Government still let them run the business if it's scam? Did anyone here "joined" LB and found out the whole thing is actually a scam instead of jumping into conclusion without even finding out what the business is all about?? I am neither a LB user nor its distributor, but just coming from a network marketer's standpoint. I am just curious why this blog only criticizing LB / SYN / DCHL without providing solid evindence of the scam..

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