Wednesday, July 26, 2006

Confession of ex Lampe Berger Member

I received an email from John, who was in Lampe Berger business.
He just wants others to know how deceiving is this nature of business.

On another note, you can sense that a lot of people are aware of this lampe berger
business, and giving the cold shoulders to it.


Hi i'm John, I joined LB for 2 months already and i decide to refund
those uplines are really bugging me a lot for upgrading to count which
RM30k (Now no more offer i guess, its RM36-38k if i'm not mistaken).

They told me its impossible for you to success without cloning the
system, and i did some research and found its true that you must clone
order to success, but what they told me when i haven't join is totally
different, they told me RM2k is just a small amount that you can borrow
easily from your friend or family, they even ask you to borrow from
sharks who are relatives of upline in LB so we cannot complaint them.

I never give up, i keep trying everyday to meet friends and relatives
talk to them about this business, but i found they all are avoiding to
me and some even don't want to pick up their phones when i call them.
a part of MLM will really make all your friends run away from you, you
start to feel lonely.

Another thing is the attitude of your uplines are totally different
to before you join and after u joined. You will feel like you are
them to help you to find prospect and whatever they say you must listen
else you're dead.

Lastly, about the refund procedure, i called to the office and ask for
whole procedure about refund. I'm not sure about the RM30k but RM2345
like this:
1. Write a letter to the company to tell them you want to resign or
fill in
an account termination form provided in the company.
2. If all the products you bought are given by the company, you will
get an
invoice (a few yellow papers) and you must photostat it and submit
with the termination form/letter to the counter in the company.
3. You must not bring the products while doing step 1 and step 2, they
contact you few days later then only you bring the items for refund.
4. Make sure the products are in good condition and not used before.
5. Around one month after you pass them the products you will recieve a
cheque with the amount of 90% from the total you paid.

If the products are bought in the company instead of given by your
then you still got some hope. Well, still looks "ok" right? At least
refund...but wait....

When your upline bring you to buy the products, they use their own
names to
buy it with the reason "discount". The total PV you need to become a
franchisee is 2345PV = RM2345, so if your upline buy for you, you can
get a
discount of 20% (franchisee discount), 29% (baron discount), 38% (count
discount) from RM2345. So the products can say are bought by them even
paid, the invoice only have their names, they transfer the PV to you
and they demand cash from you cause they buy for you so they don't have

Then the problem comes, there's another refund method for situation
procedure as below:
1. Return the products to your upline.
2. Your upline must pay you the amount of the total products you're
3. Your upline will take the products to the company and refund. How
refund i'm not sure but i guess its something similar like above.

Well, i guess your upline is not stupid enough to do that.....

Here are some advice for you guys who being asked to join LB:
1. Do not follow them to their company at Menara HLA near KLCC. If you
DO NOT being impressed by them with their bullshit fake story.
2. If you joined, before anything goes worse please do not go for their
gatherings and get your refund as soon as possible. They say treat you
where also don't go, mamak/KTV/movie where also, its not enjoying at
its sharing you some fake stories to make you exited and convince you
upgrade to RM30k.
3. Do not sign the application form when they asked you. They will say,
is just something to prove that you are temporary my prospect and no
one can
force you to join them. They will not let you have the chance to read
agreement behind the form, it wrotes behind, quite small..."No.3(i) I
to pay the membership fee and other registration charges currently
by the company".
4. Never ever go to anywhere when someone who is in LB calls you, its a
5. If you insist to join, please do not let your upline do for you. The
invoice must have your name in it.
6. Do not get confuse while they telling you the marketing plan, they
make you confuse so that you will think what they said is all true.

How they convince you to join?
1. Someone in LB will find his upline for help if they can't convince
alone. He most probably will find his upline who have a nice car to
come and
find you.
2. Your friend will not say anything but agree at everything his upline
telling you. Even his upline made a mistake on the plan he also will
3. They will start talking to you normally to get close to you.
4. His upline will simply give a reason to walk away from you a while.
your friend will T-Up (Talk good things) about his upline to impress
5. When he finish explain the marketing plan to you, your friend will
straightaway take out an application form and probably will say "what
you waiting for? lets join us" something like that.

I hope everyone who wants to join LB can read my experience in LB
they join.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sticky it please :)

10:21 PM  
Anonymous John said...

i forgot to add in, i still cant get my refunds even i know the procedure. The attitude of my upline changed since the day i joined, but still they will 24 hours on call help me for anything i need, and they told me they will help me forever or even refunding, ask me to trust them(including my best friend who was my direct upline).

But now, when i told them i want to refund, they agree that i should refund but still they didn't do anything to help me, and always give the reason "busy" unlike before. Probably because they already know the 2nd refund procedure that i mentioned.

I know its already hopeless for me to refund, i hate my uplines, i hate lampe berger, i want everyone know about this, the true story behind lampe berger, do not being con by them, spread the story and save more people. Thank you.


12:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No progress from Steve & Gang on their so called 'quest' in knocking down SYN/DCHL... same old whole load of crap everyday...
- 27th July 2006-

12:42 AM  
Anonymous Alex said...

Looks like this blog is getting heavy advertisement because it is so popular. I wonder how much African Development Bank, Bonuslink, CNET and Paypal is paying to advertise on this site. Keep it up Steve!

1:20 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

I can only comment..seems like a lot of spam...I think it's automated.

2:12 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

i'll have to approve the comments most of the spam are junks..

8:54 AM  
Blogger jackal said...

john, this is a norm for those irresponsible upline. once u joined n paid, they ignore u.

i think if u threat the rm2345 as a lesson fees, u might feel better.

1 day, u will smile n feel grad that u have left the scam at early stage before u r killed by them.

9:28 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Finally,Mr John has exposed the truth and DARK SECRETS in DCHL/SYN!!!

SYN members dun hide anymore,....we know ur TRUE faces now! Every visitors who logon this blog will know it!

Just prepare to become the next "bankruptcy" and "blacklisted" names! I will see ur names in newspapers!

9:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you so friggin stupid? you deserve it man.

1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steven Yip just give it up lah, you can't win because this business is a legitimate business with a license. No matter what you do, you are still doing the same old thing. :)

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"anonymous said...
No progress from Steve & Gang on their so called 'quest' in knocking down SYN/DCHL... same old whole load of crap everyday...
- 27th July 2006-"

There are alot of progress indeed, the bad news about this MLM shit are spread so fast, i have some few friends "saved" not to join LB(Lot of Bullshit), coz of i kept forwarding the link of this blog to all the ppl i know.
And another fact, u are worrying so much..!
Why are u giving a damn about it??
getting even harder and harder to sell your lamp stock coz more ppl knows about this shit scam??? oops i'm so sorry if i kinda rude, i shouldnt look u down coz u are in this business, u are just a victim like anyone else.. promise i wont take it hard to u next time, i know how does it feel to be scammed and lost ur money and tried hard to earn back what u lost with all the way including scamming ur best friend..

Success to u Steven Yip!

5:51 PM  
Blogger Ni9htl0rd said...


either it's automated, or some dumb SYNner sat in front of his PC cutting and pasting into the comment box..

pathethic really.

to the SYN anonymous,

If it's so crappy, don't come and read...or are you afraid what other dirty secrets of SYN that we are digging out and showing to the public here? Get a life.

5:53 PM  
Blogger Ni9htl0rd said...

Anonymous said...
Steven Yip just give it up lah, you can't win because this business is a legitimate business with a license. No matter what you do, you are still doing the same old thing. :)


even legitimate business can be brought down by unscrupulous and unethical practices by it's people.

Barings, Worldcom, Enron...all this ring a bell to you? Maybe not...since they are foregin companies.

Perwaja Steel, know about it? RHB (yeah, the bank still exist, but it's previous top bosses are under the gun now)...and many other examples.

Licences can be withdrawn, legitimate businesses can become illegitimate. Just so you get that in your thick skull.

7:38 PM  
Anonymous TEH POWAH said...

Well John at least you have seen the light.

Good for you. I hope this will serve as a lesson to you.

Always remember, there's no substitute for good old fashion hard work.

I hope you will help us to inform more people about the dangers of this evil cult.

Peace man!

And to Steven,

Hope you will not be discourage by all the random spamming.

Keep the faith! (b^_^)b

7:46 PM  
Blogger Allan Gan said...

Hi Steven,
I think its good if they spam here . I least they waste their time on spamming than CONning other people. Life saved by your hard .... Great Job.

To John ,
U can get the money back from your so-called friend. My father was a ex LB. He was conned into it. Lucky my father was fierce enough and his friend pay him back the money. But was not fully paid. Hope you can get back from him.

7:54 PM  
Blogger Dexter said...

It is NOT a problem of legitimate or illegitimate business, so SINners don't try to fool anyone.

The problem of RZ is their products are OVERPRICED and caused TOO MANY people to lost money from their PAY FORWARD PLAN. Those fragrances lamps are useless and not value for money and those cosmetics are too expensive for those quality.

It is not right for any direct-sale to have such pay forward plan practices. You only pay to a Company for products sold, NOT paying forward to stock up unsold goods.

1:52 AM  
Blogger Dexter said...

In a desperate bid attempt to save themselves, they did the followings:
a) increase the plan's figure so new prospects won't be aware that those "30K" news are refering to this Company and an INCREASE tricked more people to join in June. Now they will suffer from the repercussions. It's the USELESS and OVERPRICED lamps and perfumes that people are avoiding, not the plan.
b) adding more products like cosmetics and already announced that they will add male cosmetics, wines, pens and papers, even mooncakes... This trick will not work either because too many of their LB stocks are still in the hands of their members from the Pay Forward Plan(explain later). Furthermore, diverting to other products will tarnish their image and it wont work for them, unlike Amway or Cosway, which are known as MLM Supermarkets.
c) Using NEW names in their plan to fool the people, like "Pay Forward Plan". All along the LB business is using a pay forward plan. It simply means members have not done any sales yet but pay forward to stock up unsold goods.
d) They will be more relaxed in collecting monies for attending talks. In their recent NDO, the Malays and Indians attended free while the Chinese paid RM100. Good, this is offending all their old members and prospects who paid so much. It's too late for them to give free attendance now.
e) They will use the Amway and Diamond's tricks of inviting people to listen to their talks of successful people, "Don't worry, it's not about business" but end of talk you will know. This trick don't work anymore. The smart people will know it only proved these Companies' businesses are tough and difficult, otherwise why use talk to camourflage their business name or MLM ?
f) With no more people being foolish to participate in their pay forward plan, they will ask members to build slow, no need to pay forward to stock up like 12K or 30K. This will not work either as more and more people knows about them, their prospective world gets smaller. LB members are trained to show-off and committed through credit cards expenses, can they survive by going slow ? No, it will not work.

Lets see what other tricks those SINners will come out.

No matter what, we will bring them down. As long as those who are against them CONTINUE to caution others ahead of Lampe Berger, RZ, SYN, DCHL and Menara Kia Peng, they will never come up again.

Lets WORK HARDER to save the world !!

1:55 AM  
Anonymous orange88 said...

there has been alot of progress because of this blog. Thanks john! You the man!

2:08 AM  
Blogger anthraxxxx said...

"anonymous said...
No progress from Steve & Gang on their so called 'quest' in knocking down SYN/DCHL... same old whole load of crap everyday..."

As a matter of fact, there IS progress. Perhaps you are either too ignorant to realise it or you might be suffering from permanent mental blindness/masturbation in your own fantasy world. If you are not worried being intimidated or bombarded by all sorts of allegations here, you wouldn't "entertain" us by constantly spewing your rhetoric crap in this blog at the first place. Pray tell, what exactly are you afraid of?

9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anti Spam! said...

Hmm... Stupid spammer!

Now people might say this forum is unfair because they will say Steven will not approve comments which are negative about this site!

Is there another alternative, Steven? Can we trace back the idiot's IP address and lodge a complaint?

10:00 AM  
Blogger Dexter said...

Correction to my last post.

Their increase volume in the plan boosted their May sales and not June. In June, their sales dropped.

10:20 AM  
Blogger Steven Yip said...

hi anti Spam,

I don't know which IP, but I am still getting spam.

Sorry guys, but will need to approve comments (which are non spam).

Any comments from Lampe Berger matter what..will get approved.

I just don't want the spam in there.

9:18 PM  
Anonymous orange88 said...

the person who spam is a sucker man! lolx... well, it just shows that this blog is famous... hehe

12:06 AM  
Blogger Dexter said...

I agree that useless messages need not be published.

It saves space and time reading useless messages.

This is an ANTI-Lampe Berger blog and NOT a LB discussion blog.

Those whose messages are disallowed can always start their own blog.

7:23 AM  
Anonymous Jack lim said...

it seem like recently SYN has really spend a lot of money to try to clear its name on the media, so we must continue to bring it down

1:13 AM  
Anonymous orange88 said...

for those who kept asking people to give up because this business is legitimate or no progress, bla bla bla... you guys can see yourselves that the business is dropping and they've already discussed about changing their marketing tactics. If this blog or its supporters has no impact on SYN's marketing concept scam, why would SYN go through such trouble to change this and that? Even cancelling out the 30k cut count position? Probably in order to un-associate itself with the media and news which has been potraying quite alot about SYN's bad side/image

7:00 AM  
Blogger Ni9htl0rd said...

damnit....because of that spam bastard, steven has to vet through each comment to take out the spam.

See what's the result of your spam, you SYNning fool? People open their eyes to the kind of childish manners and attitude that you have.

2:00 AM  
Blogger jackal said...

my LB fren sent me sms again abt LB got the brand excellent award from govt that published in sin chew jit poh.

i really check it out, but found that the name is so little there (RZ corp lead by LB GM). less than 2 cam length.

7:20 AM  
Anonymous LawrenceX said...

yesterday I post a comment and looks like it doesn't get thru. sure you dont accidentally delete my posting?

7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sigh... really sad that lampe berger has really 'contiminate' the MLM Industry.

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi people, i'm a user of lampe berger oil, not a network builder or business holder (whichever you people called it) i've been using lampe berger for quite sometimes now, and they really do show thier uses and effect, i use them for the good of my childrens and both of them has asthma, but what make me really mad is, there is other children who aren't educated properly(by thier parent/siblings) and they bullied my children for using lampeberger which is wrong. and by after reading so many 'funny' comment by bloggers, i notice a lot of people here are not really mature enough to give a proper comments. even i see syn people are being stupid for trying to uphold thier company by acting and give silly comments, but yet anti people who gave even more nonsense comments.

and for John, i as a user for many year, i came about few times my upline asked me to turn into a network builder, thus i am quite fimiliar with thier PLAN,

1. refund, they will give 90% refund upon 'Termination', which i doubt yr upline will able to get any refund for yr refund since he is not terminating. unless you and him can work things out, by selling himback the oils u didnt use.
2. sorry to state this, for all register as member (paid up RM150, get 10% discount), you MAY NOT MAKE PURCHASE from the COUNTER, you only may make purchase from yr upline, which, yr upline only can make purchase for you thus, invoice would be thier name no matter you like it or not.
3. which made, fresh franchise arent able to make refunds, unless you are already a franchise, u made extra purchase (which is under your name), and you plan to terminate, you may demand for the extra stocks for refund.
4. refund applies to only lampe berger lamps and oils, Signatures, Promotion item, and Estabel are not entitle to refund, and i really hope yr uplines has inform you about this.

and for you young people who just joined this business, i wont urge you ppl to quit, but yet start the business, investing or not is your decision, but doesnt mean u cannot start from below. because the product does speak for themself.


7:21 AM  
Blogger Cho said...

Ages since I last visit but seem like you're doing a fantastic job Steven. Im now in Jakarta, wonder they have it here as well.

How's your brother Steven? Still in? or give up? Doesnt matter about the refund, most important is he can do well in his studies.

By the way, My old friend from uni told me her friend ask her to join Lampe Berger, but she sense something wasnt right, so she didn't join. I told her about the experience I heard from this site and ask her to visit, luckily still in time. Hope now she can convince her friend not to fall to the 30,000 trap.

She told me a couple-LBler approached her friend in one of the trainning her friend went. This training is a self-motivation kind of training which give help participants to find out about what they dont like or not doing well in their life and improve it in a positive welll through self-awareness. But smart LBler found their way in as many who join are those having trouble, mostly about their job or they want to earn more money, so they take advantage of this occation to meet these ppl and persuade them to join, new platform for them.

From what my friend told me, they have very sharp psychological approach & reverse psychology...

I don't know what else I can do other than referring this site to them.

So please keep up the good job Steven, all the best, god bless.

11:08 PM  
Anonymous Lacerate said...

God bless this site.

11:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the main point of this anti-LB thing is probably the way the people in there approach and convince other people. I've had friends who are in there, they all do the same thing, out of nowhere look for you, and then slowly they bring you to their talks and then to HLA. For me, i told my friend, yes, i've heard bad things about it, but then again, people shouldn't really hear from one side. So i gave my friend a chance to explain to me his "plan".

At first i listen patiently.. but after awhile my friend started to talk about his uplines and his downlines from driving proton to bmw to a 18 yr old girl driving porsh and all those. Honestly? I'm not impressed. And so i kept insisting for him to explain his "plan" to me and i found out that the "plan" is not even about its products. Its all about conning people to join their "plan" and uplines gets to take the money from fresh members.

Then again, thats what MLM is all about. But other MLM companies such as Diamond and Amway are more product focused instead of focusing on the MLM plan like LB does. My friend told me this phrase "the best thing about this is no selling needed" you'll pay RM2345 and then take the products home. You don't need to sell it, all you need is for people to join under your line. When the "air pollution wave comes, the products will sell by itself".

Here's the catch. WHEN will the wave come? 10 years? 15 years? 20 years? 100 years? I won't doubt their product quality, cuz i've never used it before, i don't have any bad experience with their products. But what I dislike most about LB is the way they present it. The only thing they focus on is their "plan". Not the product. They are basically abusing its products for branding purposes to sell their "plans".

So what if you drive a bmw? You didn't even earn it. You got it thru taking hard earned money from people who treat you as a real friend.

Its also true about them asking you to loan money from everywhere. When i just got back from Melbourne from studies, of course i had to still depend on my parents until I find my own job. But the LB people were telling me that they can even convince my parents to pay up RM2345 for me and guarantee that in 3 months i'll be able to pay my parents back. He said he's convinced hundreds of parents before. Thats so ridiculous.

At the end of the day, these LB members do not even have any product knowledge because they already treat their "plan" as their product knowledge instead of the lamps. How else more ridiculous can they get?

2:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate the way their presentation. They freaky THROW their CAR KEY infront of me (show me they earn good $) and show me their photocopy of cheque (damn "ONG KAO" ! ) and also of course photo with their NICE CAR, HOUSE (whatever!). MLM is okay, but not like this way, okay?! this is like head hunted.

Recently I have this friend she told me she just joined. She says she is very stress on her job thats why want to have something for side income ( this is a good time when LB ppl come to look for you )

I'm very very shock. Cause she looks clever to me, but this time she is really STUPID. Anyways, i suggest her to work harder if she really want to stay there (what else i can say?).

NOW, she is getting MORE stress than b4. (i bet they also force her upgrade to 30k) *sigh*

you guys are ruining the rest.

god bless to all Lampe Berger associate.


2:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm... so many negative people speaking all negative... i hope you will read napoleon hill's book - think & grow rich and realise that nobody can succeed in life when they have negatif. 'rich' here means more than money - if u know what i mean. Good luck in life!

2:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

STUPID!!! please read what is this blog about---> Anti Lampe berger...of course write negative things..what do you think you want us to write..about jay chow,jet li???all i can say you damn bloody stupid!!!please go read this book call 'how to be more smart when posting a comment in a blog' hahaha

9:17 AM  
Anonymous earth_chance said...

well.. i think everyone felt cheated anyway thats life. On the otherhand i think we dont deserve this , why let them get away so easily.Is it because of our attidude of `tidak apa' or rather we dont have time for this and that.
I attended one of the meetings.. its called the " Orientation " , pretty interesting talk by the leaders , somehow or rather lots of motivation and inspiration BUT tons of empty promises (if they let me in again to take a video session of the orientation... hmm .. i guess we all know why).

Moments ...Before the orientation>>

After all i was too busy at work and gave the introducer of this business which is also the upline to have control of RM 24,000.00 being invested in the business , so called taking over someones business account.
A week later after a visit to one of the group meeting , i was schocked to find out my RM 24,000.00 was used to bail out stocks that i believe belongs to my upline.I have no choice as i though i can give a helping hand , while they mentioned that the stock move so fast that i will be able to get my investment back as fast as in 2 to 4 weeks.

On the day of orientation>>

Gosh everyone was so excited including me but sadly i have invested RM 24,000.00 which is so called a loan to UPLINE ( have you ever heard of this..@@ ) .
At that moment the company (DCHL) throw a 3 day 2 night incentive trips to BaNgkoK ( produce 5 barons).. seems too easy to me , but my money is stuck with my UPLINE , so i consulted and asked if the UPLINE can atleast produce me RM 9K ++ to get me a BARON.
To my surprise i cant get anything, yet i have to produce RM 9K ++ to get my own business going ( they always tell you - am your business partner , will share and help you one laa...)
Howdy.. i wanted to take group photo coz lots of people went up the stage to commit themselves , ask my UPLINE whether can i do that-- guess what ??

The UPLINE ask me " Why NOT you go UP instead of taking someones photo"
The UPLINE is so negative and @#^&**.. afterall attented the session for more than 5 times and not to mentioned other sessions(cannot do the business , well i guess its trying to find some assholes like me to cover the HOLES )
SO... i said " YOU JUMP , I JUMP " .. ha..ha .. guess WHAT the UPLINE said.. YOU JUMP FIRST ..hah..
At that moment i have decided not to get myself involved in the business(surprisingly i got a bottle of mineral water which the label was upside down , i guess its the SIGN )
Weeks after weeks .. waiting patiently for my money BUT i was end up holding RM 16,000 worth of stock valued at distributor PRICE..


2:43 AM  
Anonymous Kish said...

I was approached by someone,same RZ Corp, not LB yet Estabel...since it comes from the same i guess it cld be conned too..right?Yes..the explaination was exactly the same, motivation also the same lah...this guy drives this car la, that car la....plan...they hvn't talked abt it..asked me to go to HLA...Now guys!!!Need your advice...what should i do?????

11:53 PM  
Anonymous Eden said...

I wish I found this site earlier... Although I'm not a member of LB, but I'm so regret that I bought a diffuser and 2 liter of oil from my best friend. Those things are damn expensive! Back in those years I was just a poor student living on ptptn and family support...
Keep up the good work, although they will still running the scam bussiness but the society need awareness about it!

7:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey everyone..
my fren here r approach me to join this business...
seems u have an experience..
wht is ur advise to avoid this nicely??

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more! GREED was what I saw at DCHL, they use nice cool luxury cars to sell, entice you, like the devil! Then trap you. It's all an illusion. They are really living on leverage. Not as wealthy as it appears. What's worst they are trained to be hard in their dealings, no compassion whatsoever, as long as the win his theirs, camouflaging as the upline/biz partner helping at ABPs. They'll be so nice to you until that RM30K is parted, then you’re probably just useless or a waste of time to them. SO PEOPLE OUT THERE BEWARE OF THIS GREAT BIG SCAM! Suckers being lured into the lions den when you get a call to come visit their office at DCHL, a great show will be put up by all. It’s all been planned out what to do, what to say, who to introduce, the act is on!

8:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I share John's sentiments, I too joined. Was lured, innocent and gullible. After a while not being able to bring in new recruits, I was literally brush off by my upline. It's really strange how they are coached to be nice then after having the RM36K from me just not be responsible, looks to me, they are taught to be arrogant, cocky to get to the top. I was constantly coached on what to say, which eventually, I found were against my values. I had to put a stop continuing on with the business. However I lost my RM36K. I could have paid for my true dreams - education, photography equipment and a much needed car. (However, looks like I paid for thier car, a Mecedes Benz) all on leverage. JUST WROTE IN TO WARN THE INNOCENT OUT THERE, seems they are recruiting 1000 people each month. Sounds pretty scarry, do not be their victim!

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm also one of LB member, now i'm challege marquis, i join april 2009, sape kate tak bleh buat, downline i pun dah challege marquis, depend on the team, i'm join friends club, so far tak der masalah pun, event 10 generation still support me,

10:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of their coaching methods was to look for people who love money! This reminded me of a TV programme, Hustler, the group were con artists. I guess SYN is training future cons?

3:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is any different between Lamp Berger and Uptrend? I dont believe in MLM. I never believe in this type of business. Eventhough they tried so many times to convince me to join this kind of bullshit. Still didnt work at all. For me, they just want to show off. Not more than that.

6:49 AM  

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