We have seen too much trouble caused by DCHL distributing Lampe Berger in Malaysia. It's time to hit back at this unethical MLM network marketing business pyramid plan.
Lost Hopes
It always puzzled me why LB members who failed, keep on in vain trying to succeed in this business. Perhaps it's because the fake wealth and luxuries shown by the members themselves. The failure rate is more than 99%. Which means less than 1% can get rich.
This story shows that you not only lost your money in this business, but also your social relationship, your time, and your loved ones.
Perhaps you are young, and think it's no harm trying. But it can turn out to be your worst choice. Fulfilling all your dreams is the biggest lie DCHL Lampe Berger is selling you. All those dreams just turned out to be lost hopes.
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Dear Steven & LB Help,
This story shows that you not only lost your money in this business, but also your social relationship, your time, and your loved ones.
Perhaps you are young, and think it's no harm trying. But it can turn out to be your worst choice. Fulfilling all your dreams is the biggest lie DCHL Lampe Berger is selling you. All those dreams just turned out to be lost hopes.
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Dear Steven & LB Help,
After seeing all your blogs and Brand Malaysia blog, I think it is something that we should bring to the attention of the weaker mind of what this LB is all about. I attach below a story of LB which surrounds my friends and I since the LB things began spreading. I would appreciate if you keep my name anonymous.
The story goes like this...
A friend of mine,AK joined Lampe Berger after some approach from another friend of ours. AK borrowed some money (heard it's a 4 figure amount) from his girlfriend to invest in LB, even with his study loan unpaid. It's been almost 2 years since he joined. All our friends that I come across had been approached by him to join LB and seen him like a repellant.
Another friend, KV who was persuaded by him to joined, regretted. He told me that he felt he was conned by his best friend (AK) to fork out money using his mum's hard earn RM2,345. Since then, KV got less than half of his money back, quitted LB, hated and doesn't talk to AK since.
Recently, AK's girlfriend, CS of 5 years who lives together with him suddenly decided to leave KL and go work in Singapore, not breaking up with him but just to work there for more pay. We (AK's friends) were puzzled. Hence we approached her on her decision.
It was a sad story. She explained to us that since AK stopped his permanent job and joined LB full-time since 2 years ago, she is the only person that is the primary breadwinner. She has to pay for the rent of the apartment and most expenses at home. All AK could earn is from the freelance job that he do once or twice in a month.
CS who earns RM3,000 a month wasn't able to save any money from this salary considering that she still have a car installment to pay every month. Hence, 6 months ago she started looking for other company that would be able to offer her more somewhere in KL. She found a better offer. Best of all, she request and got the offer for AK to become a Junior Photographer, a higher ranking and higher pay in the same company. AK rejected the offer even without thinking.
CS was disappointed. Hence she job hunt for work in Singapore and got other offers. We also heard from CS that the money she borrow AK to invest in LB was her savings for their future home. She doesn't mind if AK would want to pursue his dream to get rich through LB. But AK wouldn't even want to at least contribute to their small living by accepting a permanent job that knock on his door.
When AK as CS on her reason to work in Singapore, CS would just say, "Can you afford a life right now?" It's not that CS is a big spender or anything. She's the most understanding and thrifty girl I've met. She never expected AK to return the money he borrowed or give her a good life, but just a normal life that they used to have even when he have to work 18 hours a day, with enough money to eat, watch movie and occasionally buy some stuff.
When we asked AK how does he feel since CS has to go, his reply was, "I'm going to put all my time in LB so that I can start to earn 4 figures and pick her back from Singapore next year".
Little does he know, CS decision to leave was a hard one for her because it's also the first step of their breaking up process as she had told us...
A lesson to all out there who is interested to join LB. Yes, there are people who gain and got wealthy because of it, but how many are there who got rich compare to those who joined and never got rich? Yes, they can drive a BMer, but do you think they still can pay for the installment 3 or 5 years down the road by using the money they earn in LB? If you come from a rich family, it is alright to get burnt with RM30k. But if you are not from a rich family, don't ever think of joining LB thinking that it is a "Get Rich Quick" scheme. Nothing comes easy in the world. Nothing comes free. You will end up with even more debt in the end.
If you think that by spending RM30k to join LB with your own hard earn money and lose it, then it's your own problem. But if you have to borrow RM30k to join LB, then you must think of your social responsibilities to your friends and family.
p/s: Pardon me for having to keep all the name anonymous. Afterall, it's other people's family problem, we are not fit to critic but only to bring the sense to others out there.
posted by Steven Yip at 10:38 PM
43 Comments:
It's true..a fren of mine also regretted and apologise to me he said he shouldnt asked me to join also from the very beginning..i told him it's ok because i never join but we had a great fight because i am not being supportive eventhough i dont want to join him at the beginning...now he back to work as normal. He invested 2k plus...true story..i swear
It is true that not many people can afford to fork out 30k cash for this business.
there is many things we could do with that 30k but for the richs probably they wont feel a pinch.
A sad lesson to learn from.
He's lucky.
At least he didnt take 30k of debt and join.
We need more stories like this.
So we can show the true nature of this scam.
i joined with 2K. Last month, they kept on pressuring me to dump 30K. So I made a loan. My upline who was working in the bank told me that my loan was approved. The only setback is the money will only come in on the middle of April.
But something very fishy happen, they had the nerve to ask me to borrow from relatives just to make the payment at the closing date of march. I was thinking, why in the hell would i ask money from my relatives since my loan has already been approved? They told me this is to help some guy go duke. In my opinion, i don't give a damn if he turns out to be duke or not. I wont ask from my family any money. I had made a vow not to ask any money since i started my career.
Last two days. I got the letter from the bank. Turns out my loan application was not successful. Fuhh, luckily i didnt as from any family for money or i'll be in debt today.
Now, I decided to stop doing this business(can we call it a business?). I'm fighting for my 2K back. I'll be going to this uplines family to tell them i've been cheated by their son. I know it's not much to fight for but it's still my hard earn money.
Anonymous,
Your story must be heard by the people in RZ Corporation..
How can they do that..!!
Please follow this link..
http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com/
2006/03/solution-to-re-funds.html
hmm... aisey... i missed out on what the anonymous wrote eh... comment deleted edi... sigh...
Anonymous the 4th: Just take the RM2K+ as the "price" for the lesson.Maybe u can find a job is better to earn back ur money.
Luckily ur bank loan is disaprove.And u didnt invest RM30K and borrow money from ur family or relatives.
Just remember 1 thing.Money lost,can earn back.Relations break,is hard to build back.
It's plain ridiculous.
Helping another guy get Duke?
I wish that more people in LB would see this.
It tells alot that this business is basically a money game.
Haha.. and they will ask you...
In cantonese of course..
"WOULD YOU SUPPORT HIM TO BE DUKE..??"
surely the answer everyone says "YESSS"
because they will say
"WE ARE A TEAM!!"
oh well..
replying to One Man's Perceptions,
I'm 23.
My direct upline is also the same age.
Their team are around the age of 23-28.
What shocks me the most is they had to tell me repeatedly and showing me the plan again & again while telling me to get the money from family. I remembered they told me when the loan has been release you can pay back your family's money immediately. But the truth is they had already knew about my loan being disapproved. They were trying to con my money as a group!
This is their tagline,"Do you think i will show you all this (referring to the marketing plan,strategy,etc again) if your loan not approve aah?".
-Anonymous the 4th
replying to b3rnard7,
i'm fighting for the money back because
1. I haven't used the product at all
2. Because it's his freaking f*cking
own stock.
3. Because I just have to do this. I learnt my lesson. Now it's their turn to learn theirs.
-Anonymous the 4th
Good words anonymous #4..
I like to call u that :P
Hey.. drop me an e-mail of your story .. okay?
at
lampebergerhelp@gmail.com
That i don't know. Sorry man.
Anonymous the 4th
Anonymous #4,
so, have u been paid before or not?
What's this thing I heard of LB invading Singapore or something like that?? True or not? What do they mean? Its already sad that Singapore got BA...
Anyone shred some light on this matter?
anonymous 4th,
I hope you learned your lesson, take a look from another angle, you only loss 2k and not 30k.
I do hope we have some LBer reading this post.
Cerita tipu kanak ka?
Takda nama takda apa2 bukti? Jika sumpah betul2 nya, biar I sumpah je Cina bodoh biar *@*i kat blog ni... haha
eiei, if u join sure got product?
Return the thing to your upline la ?
Or can u giv ur member no. we can do complaint to MCA there oso !!
we hav to gather more victim member no. (because we want some solid prove) if we hav some campaign later, can you be one of the withness??
better than you guys sit at warung play chess never try out anything less afraid to lose...chech
don't think malay din join lb, I have seen a lot of malays in lb.
Please speak english. We hardly understand ur malay. Thank you.
Me too now waiting for my upline to refund me for the franchisee stock. A bit sad is my upline only willing to refund on those oils and cosmetic products but not the lamps which cost a lot. Anyway still not total lost.
To clarify, DCHL will transfer direct to you bank account if you get the stocks direct from DCHL.
If you get the stocks from your upline's 30k stocks then you have to refund from your upline. If your upline refuse and within 6 months then you can contact DCHL and report your upline.
Hi Anonymous 4th, we belong to the same line, ha ha. If not mistaken only Winston Wong is challenging duke at the moment. Help him to become duke by forking out 30k? No way!
Normally the uplines tell the downlines that if the downlines help the uplines to achieve Marquis/Duke/etc, the uplines will help the downlines the same way in the future.
Lampe Berger Help said...
Haha.. and they will ask you...In cantonese of course..
"WOULD YOU SUPPORT HIM TO BE DUKE..??"
surely the answer everyone says "YESSS"
because they will say
WE ARE A TEAM!!"
oh well..
Well should be like this I think (in cantonese):
"WOULD YOU SUPPORT HIM TO BE A DUCK (gigolo)?"
surely the answer everyone says "YESSS"
because they will say
WE ARE A DUCK!!"
This is the first time i come across this site. I am glad that people are setting up sites to help and support victims of LB. I was once nearly brain wash into joining LB too. My friend whom was suppose to be my upline eventually wanted to quit when he found out about the Rm30k but it took him months before he could get back his refund. I have been to their office building in KL. The lobby was flooded with young men in suits and young ladies holding LV bags. They all look very neat, rich, professional and rather convincing. I have notice many of them are chinese. There are less malay. My guess is maybe there are less richer malay young adults out there that can afford to invest in LB. Whatever it is. Race does not matter. What matters most is issues regarding this corporation should be heavily highlighted in our newspapers. So far, i have not come across any report that hits directly on LB.
so many brainwash, brainwash and brainwash, ask yourself did they really brainwash you? they just din told you everything, what they said could b or could not b true.
if telling you doing this or that could become this n that consider as brainwash... eventually everyday life also being brainwash, like those advetice, radio and tv broadcasting telling u this n that. but ofcause in the end is ourself who choose to believe or not.
very above there about helping a guy become duke, i dunno about that, yes, i agree that that kind of situation, your better choice is wat u choose, but hopefuly u does help others in another situation bcoz wat you said is like dun want to help others. =_="
it's not that i don't want to help others. BUT please do it in a very ethical way. don't try to CONvince me and say bunch of stuff just so that you can make ends meet.
Anonymous the 4th
another sad story by our fellow fren..for those who really invested 30k or whatever amount in it, sad to say the money is gone forever unless the upline wish to fork out their own money..screw those cheaters..
Actually i'm from Amway. i am facing problem where by all my downline have migrated to LB. Help help....!!!!
For those who invest 30k can get it back, of coz not full amount.
Just remember to get non promotional item, no lamp that cost more than 1,400 and dun open those products.
those cheap cheap lamp (100++ one normally is promotional product)
Bring all these items and refund it yourself.
Some scrupulous upline will encourage you to purchase non-refundable prodcuts and also help you to open those products so that you cant refund in the future and they gain the comission.
Some will encourage you to buy non-refundable item so that when you pass the item to your downline as franchisee stock your downline also can not refund in the future.
Lol.
Company's a scam? And worried that they're going to invade Singapore?
Fact: Singaporean Tourism Board (Government Body) are personally going to Promote SYN.
Question: So are they really a scam?
yeah, they are going to promote SYN at singapore at july the 8 or something. c la, i told u, singapore ppl such a (comment deleted)
thier government is (comment deleted) and they helping to scam their own citizen.
hahaha like the taiwanese said, singa people really (comment deleted)
Hi,
I'm from Australia and have been doing LB for over 1 year already. It's quite sad for me to see all you people attacking the whole company when you really are attacking the methods of one particular network. Not all DCHL distributors work the same way as SYN.
Sure SYN is a massive network and it is massive due to their method and promise of quick riches but as the owner of this site Mr Steven Yip wrote, riches take long term vision and hard work.
To do DCHL business properly isn't about conning your friends and family or asking for loans to invest as a count. MLM is a system designed so that you do this AFTER WORK and if you are persistent, caring and fast learning enough then after 5 years you can choose if you want to work or not. MLM is not a get rich quick method as they often portray but it is a system where hard work and LONG TERM work will produce a reward faster than other methods. ie 5-10 years instead of 15-20+. NOT retire after 1-2 years.
After reading AK's story, I feel very sad that his situation has become like that.
I think though, the fault does not belong to LB and all of us "Lame Beggers" as someone commented. The fault lies with AK himself, his so called "Friends" and AK's upline/group.
Obviously AK himself must first realise that he is going to lose CS if he doesn't wake up. I know AK has a dream to pull her back from Singapore but you cannot do this solely by "cutting counts", my advice to AK would be find a job that will give you some time each week to do your LB business and if you really love CS, then get back or go to her ASAP.
(Side note, LB started in Singapore before coming to Malaysia)
AK is the one most at fault because he has let his situation deteriorate to its current state.
And how about his friends? I hope you are trying to help him, show him my comment and instead of telling his story to the world, help him because it is now he needs your support the most.
His uplines if they allow him to do this, (my uplines tell us never to quit our job to do this full time until we can prove that our LB business earns more than our job), his upline are also to blame as they are meant to not only guide him in this business but help him succeed in all areas of his life.
Mr Steven Yip, I appreciate that you are trying to help people so that they do not become cheated by immoral LB distributors, I believe your work will save many people from disaster. Thank you.
On the other hand, let's be sensible. MLM and LB are legitimate business systems, it takes a lot of work to make it to marquis, duke and arch duke. You cannot get there without helping other people succeed and you need to work very hard to get there, why? Because this is a business just like your local mamak store (sorry I don't speak malay..so I hope I spelt that correctly).
If you want to do this business, find a genuine, good upline and a good team. Be prepared to work hard ON TOP of your job. You cannot fail in MLM unless you quit, so keep your day job and build your business in your spare time.
I sincerely hope AK and all the other people who have been misled by poor uplines succeed in all areas of their lives.
Actually not only Winston Wong is challenging....During that time, MM also challenging as well as Sean is challenging now!!
To support or not actaully is depends whether they are worth for u to support either way...
Hi anonymous from australia.
i believe ur comments regarding MLM business are correct, and it applies to most MLM companies that actually sell something, such as Amway, Cosway, Elken and such.
However i'd like to compare it with DCHL's LB. Consider that IF u're to sell ur lamps. how many would want to buy it?
how does the lamp stock gets moving in DCHL? selling it to the new recruits, of course!
and would DCHL able to survive on lamp sales to buyers other than recruits alone? i dare put my bet that DCHL business would die off!
compare it to some other MLM comapnies that i mentioned. unlike DCHL's LB, i believe they still can generate sales to non-members.
so there's really nothing in DCHL's business model to fall back on other than continuing to recruit, or in MLM's way of saying, "helping others to succeed".
Yes, MLM that actually sell products is legitimate business system, but i heavily doubt MLM that entirely depends on recruitments to survive, is in any way be legitimate nor sustainable.
dude, you know the meaning of multilevel network marketing?
if stay in 1 generation, thats what we call single level network marketing. if you dun recruit, u going to do all the sales by your own, thats a great thing?
first you guys said shouldnt compare now you start to compare...
in the whole world, the most reasonable reason to anti SYN is:
the product not worth it...
others reason like it is a scam or wat so ever, totaly rubbish,
so truth that it is the product that makes you guys so dislike untill hate it.
about the product no one will buy statement... freaky reason, you dont saw people buying does not mean no one buying
it is same as the statement
you didnt c people quit does not mean no one quit.
lately i had counter with diffrent MLM people, i act as if i m stupid to make them talk, it turns out that now the trend is to recruit while selling become more secondary, or maybe i not contact with too many.
but any how, some1 start to become a prophet for they claim that SYN going to finish in 1 year time,
if it dun finish, i wonder if their face will turn red or not.
since the begining, i cont to look at this blog is bcoz i 1 2 c hows the host's brother will end up to b. but so long that the host nvr speak of it. or mayb his brother did success so he too shame to said anything? pls, tell us something, i realy curious about it
Anonymous dude,
dude, you know the meaning of multilevel network marketing?
Yes, i know what is MLM, and i did my thesis on that, thanks for asking.
if stay in 1 generation, thats what we call single level network marketing. if you dun recruit, u going to do all the sales by your own, thats a great thing?
yes, although it's not good, it is a great thing. it's called MONOPOLY and u reap all the profits for urself.
one good example would be Microsoft that used underhanded tactics to monopolise the internet browser market a few years back. look at wat monopoly had helped Bill Gates become..
but apparently for a product that cant sell in huge volume like LB, u cant profit even if u monopolise, so one has to rely on other incomes, in this case, recuitment fees, thus the dependency on MLM.
oh yeah, in China, the government regulated that to do direct sales, only single level is allowed and multi-level is banned. isn't the reason is so blatantly obvious enuf?
in the whole world, the most reasonable reason to anti SYN is:
the product not worth it...
others reason like it is a scam or wat so ever, totaly rubbish,
so truth that it is the product that makes you guys so dislike untill hate it.
hey, that's ur own opinion and dont put words into other ppl's mouth. if u wana say something then admit that it's ur own words.
about the product no one will buy statement... freaky reason, you dont saw people buying does not mean no one buying
are u doing DCHL LB as well? if u do, i challenge u to go on, open a stall or a shop and sell it, retail style. see how much u can sell. see whether u can profit or u'd gulung tiker by the end of the month. i bet for the latter.
fact is, any local malaysian business selling LB products wont survive being marketed the retail way, hence it's being "sold" MLM way, coz even if the lamps is unsellable, there's always "marketing plan" to dupe ppl into parting with their money.
but any how, some1 start to become a prophet for they claim that SYN going to finish in 1 year time,
if it dun finish, i wonder if their face will turn red or not.
i dunno who said that, but i dont quite agree on that either.
since the begining, i cont to look at this blog is bcoz i 1 2 c hows the host's brother will end up to b. but so long that the host nvr speak of it. or mayb his brother did success so he too shame to said anything? pls, tell us something, i realy curious about it
let's wait half a year since DCHL said anyone can pull out within half year period. it's not even 2 months yet. let's just wait and see. i'm sure steven yip will update us on this.
other reason is for u guys to streatern your purpose only, scam n watever... there are alot of scam out there tell the reason y you aim SYN only? if not the product than is wat? like some said, moral problem is individual, u cant blame the industry or company for that.
about the China, u so sure they wont change in time? r u the CCP policy maker? anyway is out of topic.
oh yeah i do giv my own opinion, n YOU guys who always assume those who own diffrent point of view as DCHL distributor, are totaly sux, and talk wivout thinking, or consider blinded by your own facts.
open your eyes and mind, if you really cant bear to accept others idea, well, i speechless.
Anonymous said...
other reason is for u guys to streatern your purpose only, scam n watever... there are alot of scam out there tell the reason y you aim SYN only? if not the product than is wat? like some said, moral problem is individual, u cant blame the industry or company for that.
buddy, i really hope u'd check what is the goal and puprose of this blog, AND THE REASON WHY this blog came into place.
about the China, u so sure they wont change in time? r u the CCP policy maker? anyway is out of topic.
uhm, not sure in future, but for now IT IS BANNED. that's the fact and i stand by that. are u sure LB will last forever in future?
oh yeah i do giv my own opinion, n YOU guys who always assume those who own diffrent point of view as DCHL distributor, are totaly sux, and talk wivout thinking, or consider blinded by your own facts.
Hey, I ASKED U IF u are an LB agent. I did not say U ARE LB AGENT. so stop putting ur words into my mouth.
open your eyes and mind, if you really cant bear to accept others idea, well, i speechless.
oh yeah, the same goes to you too. seek to understand first, if u seek to be understood.
I have this antiLB fren always like to tease all those LB fella during their so call "sharing".
LBer: If our mind set is the same, our action is the same, our target is the same, then we will get success together!
myFren: Chew! All world cup teams also have the same mind set, same action (play the game), same target (get the cup), but why there's only 1 Champion?
LBer: Actually joining our business can help people (downlines), and the people we help will respect us.
myFren: Chew! Those people who carry coffin also helping people ma, others also respect them, why you don't go and work as them!
ur fren really cute lo, btw, u think the same too? if not, why post out? chew...chew...chewing gum
I dont really think the same way as my fren thought, but I'm an AntiLB as well. I just dont like the way they express their business is the most holy on earth, such as helping ppl la, happy la, healthy la. To be frank, are you guy really HAPPY? I'll be musch more happy to work in my current so call business, at least no one host a blog and object me.
i guess most of them are there to suck the blood of the downlines..their main concern is to get us in so that they will gain from it...i've seen this personally...
-Ins0mNiA aka BananaStation-
To start I will stated myself as neutral side... I already given up on LB but I'm a supply LB product to user...
Well, it's true that if who "caught" selling item in SYN, you will be ashame... well if ya asking them to try sell @ mamak or whatever, thats is against SYN policy(its not against actually its some preaching actually,like why we should hate US...PS US dun harm chinese so why must I hate them?)
If they trying to get rid of their stock in
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