Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Counter Argument by Lampe Berger Member

Francis, who is in DCHL wrote a lengty comment. To be fair, I posted it here:

Dear Steven Yip,

I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition
Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?



2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?

Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!

There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?

Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.

While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.
-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?


As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?

No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?

While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.

6.In conclusion

As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.

Cheers :)

A DCHL/SYN member

I won't go on arguing all the points, but only one:

If it's a network marketing company and not recruiting, how come the culture of people in there reflects otherwise? You see, the problem is, the incentive provided by DCHL is allowing people to jump the rank queue by buying your position up. As for the uplines, they know if a new member joins, they will earn their part. And somehow, the uplines can earn even more if the newly joined member fork up more cash to buy baron or count.

DCHL of course, will protect themselves legally with a bunch of well written contracts. Legally, the network members themselves are in the losing end. Most of them don't read it fully, or are not aware of them.

The best example is mine. My brother joined in as franchise by paying 2k plus. I was thinking...alrite...it's a bit expensive, although I totally disagree. Then he somehow wanted to pay 30k for count position. This is where you are pulling more than an arm and a leg from the member. You are creating social discord between friends, families and relatives. In the end he got 30k from my dad's KWSP money. Let me tell you one thing, my dad worked 10 hard years in a factory for that retirement fund. And now it all ended up in DCHL lampe berger. And to this date, my brother has quit (without a single sale). The point I want to show here is, there's a culture of pushing people to jump queue.

There's more stories, if you browse this blog.

And I want to touch on one aspect that keeps me wondering why MLM is such a flawed concept.

In a basic transaction, you are the seller, and you go find your potential customers. You sell them the stuff, and they pay you for that.

And that's all.

But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd? Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines? Because the market will soon be saturated, and then who will be the customers then? The point is, the number of sellers go up and up, and soon, you won't have anyone to sell to.

So how does this makes sense?

It does spells fast growth for the company sales, but suicidal to be a network member (if you are at the lowest). You can't be selling stuff among yourselves, do you?

114 Comments:

Blogger francis said...

Dear Steven Yip again :p,

Hey there, once again I respect and thank you for your courtesy in taking the time to respond to my points.

My respond here will be very simple - It all boils down to the INDIVIDUAL

As much as I understand your one-sidedness feeling of injustice in what you perceive is an unethical marketing plan by DCHL, I wish to rebuke you for your blatant submission to your emotions regarding your weighing of this issue.

Sure, your brother/father "lost" RM36K which was from his retirement fund, but instead of looking to point the blame, why not base your judgement on this issue rationally?

1."My brother invested RM36K, and he hasn't made it back, he quit without making any sales,the marketing plan seems to be legal,... could it be then because of the culture?".... or could it be your brother himself? :)

As I continue this post, I hope you will not jump into a fit of rage immediately after hearing my views, but instead try to understand my side of the view and then weigh the issue accordingly.

The real issue here is not about the culture,marketing plan, upline, Steven Yeam(=_=)etc.

As you said it yourself, the marketing plan is legal. So let me now touch on the issue of the culture of pushing people to jump queue that you raised up.

If you look carefully, is it really entirely the fault of the culture that your brother quit without a single sales? So your brother/father did not make back the rm36K YET, does it really mean that Steven Yeam stole it, and that they have neither the products nor the position still available for them to grow their business again?

To me, it doesn't matter whether you had a greedy upline etc. , what matters most is you YOURSELF.Unless you can honestly tell me that you have seen instances where a DCHL distributor has been threatened at gun-point to invest into a Count position, I will always look down on distributors who blame anyone but themselves when they decide to give up their investment by not doing anything about it.

Let's face it, as much as you can blame the culture etc., ultimately it is your OWN business after all.So maybe your brother did not understand the implications of investing into a business, yet is it responsible of him to just blame the entire DCHL company,the other distributors,his upline,culture etc, when it is very obvious for all to see that ultimately he was the one that made the decision to invest?

So your brother quit without a single sales, please honestly tell me that do you actually feel that it is the fault of DCHL/SYN that he could not manage to sell a single Lampe Berger or Estebel beauty products? Or could it be that he was incapable of making any sales, but figured that it was easier to point the blame at the company itself etc?

So if you are a McDonalds branch owner of a certain area, is it the fault of McDonalds the brand itself then that your business is bad when it could have been due to you choosing to open it at a bad location?

So when you decide to close down your McDonalds franchise cause business is bad, and along with it goes your investment money you borrowed from your father, is it then the fault of Ray Kroc(Founder of McDonalds) ?

So do you then proceed to start blaming the McDonalds franchising system as being full of money-vultures and thieves for selling the license for opening a McDonald's branch way too expensively?And that the only reason you closed down was because the price of maintaining the license itself was higher than your income from the business?

So would you then begin to start a crusade to bring down McDonalds the brand itself? And in the process start badmouthing every single McDonald's franchise for being a farce and that because you did not experience that business success, theirs must be an illusion too?

Let's face it, your answer would have been no for the very fact that you know yourself how successful some McDonalds franchise owners have been.So why then be hypocrites and change your answer to yes when the only difference between the examples above was the brand name change from McDonalds to DCHL?

There are only 2 differences between McDonalds and DCHL:-
i.Much more capital needed to open a McDonalds franchise compared to DCHL
ii.In DCHL, you do not lose both your license nor products even if you decide to stop for a while, unless of course you decide to get a refund from the company.You CANNOT ask for a refund from McDonalds if your business fails.

Is it fair then towards the other distributors of DCHL that just you start blaming the entire company and it's system as the source of your brother's failure?

Have we not seen success stories in DCHL?Have we not seen rubbish collectors managing to carve out a decent living for themselves through this business? Have we not seen broken families who were not making end's meet rebond and reunite and live a life void of financial burdens through this opportunity?Have we not seen previously shy folks with no confidence in themselves rise up to the challenge and take on the mettle of leaders through this business?

If you have not, then it's time to wake up and start learning what goes on at the other side of the fence first before making your own biased conclusions.

2."But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd?"It does spells fast growth for the company sales, but suicidal to be a network member (if you are at the lowest). You can't be selling stuff among yourselves, do you?

Again let me bring up the example of McDonalds.

One new McDonald's opens somewhere in the world every six hours. Source: Franchise NZ Marketing Jeff R. from Illinois (9 January 1999)s.

Yet we still see MOST McDonald's having brisk business don't we?

Every year, a certain amount of interns doctors are added into the current staff of doctors into Universiti Hospital, yet don't we still see a shortage of doctors even though we would have expected the hospital to be packed to the brim with doctors?

You make the judgement for yourself.


3."Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines?"

I feel that once again, you shot this statement out of spite instead of rationale.

Start searching up google for "network marketing insurance company" and you will find the exact opposite of what you mentioned.

Let's face it, network marketing is starting to be implemented by many companies, whether you like it or not.

4.In conclusion

I apologize if I have touched a few nerves here and there.And once again Mr Steven Yip you have my profound respect for being reasonable and allowing my post to be published and be debated healthily.Again, I do not expect my post to be a main blog entry, but I would be grateful if you could point out some of my points listed here to the general public for them to view this discussion between people from 2 opposite sides of the fence.

Here's my side of the story.The side of the story from a DCHL/SYN distributor.

Cheers mate :)

1:03 PM  
Blogger francis said...

Dear Steven Yip again :p,

Hey there, once again I respect and thank you for your courtesy in taking the time to respond to my points.

My respond here will be very simple - It all boils down to the INDIVIDUAL

As much as I understand your one-sidedness feeling of injustice in what you perceive is an unethical marketing plan by DCHL, I wish to rebuke you for your blatant submission to your emotions regarding your weighing of this issue.

Sure, your brother/father "lost" RM36K which was from his retirement fund, but instead of looking to point the blame, why not base your judgement on this issue rationally?

1."My brother invested RM36K, and he hasn't made it back, he quit without making any sales,the marketing plan seems to be legal,... could it be then because of the culture?".... or could it be your brother himself? :)

As I continue this post, I hope you will not jump into a fit of rage immediately after hearing my views, but instead try to understand my side of the view and then weigh the issue accordingly.

The real issue here is not about the culture,marketing plan, upline, Steven Yeam(=_=)etc.

As you said it yourself, the marketing plan is legal. So let me now touch on the issue of the culture of pushing people to jump queue that you raised up.

If you look carefully, is it really entirely the fault of the culture that your brother quit without a single sales? So your brother/father did not make back the rm36K YET, does it really mean that Steven Yeam stole it, and that they have neither the products nor the position still available for them to grow their business again?

To me, it doesn't matter whether you had a greedy upline etc. , what matters most is you YOURSELF.Unless you can honestly tell me that you have seen instances where a DCHL distributor has been threatened at gun-point to invest into a Count position, I will always look down on distributors who blame anyone but themselves when they decide to give up their investment by not doing anything about it.

Let's face it, as much as you can blame the culture etc., ultimately it is your OWN business after all.So maybe your brother did not understand the implications of investing into a business, yet is it responsible of him to just blame the entire DCHL company,the other distributors,his upline,culture etc, when it is very obvious for all to see that ultimately he was the one that made the decision to invest?

So your brother quit without a single sales, please honestly tell me that do you actually feel that it is the fault of DCHL/SYN that he could not manage to sell a single Lampe Berger or Estebel beauty products? Or could it be that he was incapable of making any sales, but figured that it was easier to point the blame at the company itself etc?

So if you are a McDonalds branch owner of a certain area, is it the fault of McDonalds the brand itself then that your business is bad when it could have been due to you choosing to open it at a bad location?

So when you decide to close down your McDonalds franchise cause business is bad, and along with it goes your investment money you borrowed from your father, is it then the fault of Ray Kroc(Founder of McDonalds) ?

So do you then proceed to start blaming the McDonalds franchising system as being full of money-vultures and thieves for selling the license for opening a McDonald's branch way too expensively?And that the only reason you closed down was because the price of maintaining the license itself was higher than your income from the business?

So would you then begin to start a crusade to bring down McDonalds the brand itself? And in the process start badmouthing every single McDonald's franchise for being a farce and that because you did not experience that business success, theirs must be an illusion too?

Let's face it, your answer would have been no for the very fact that you know yourself how successful some McDonalds franchise owners have been.So why then be hypocrites and change your answer to yes when the only difference between the examples above was the brand name change from McDonalds to DCHL?

There are only 2 differences between McDonalds and DCHL:-
i.Much more capital needed to open a McDonalds franchise compared to DCHL
ii.In DCHL, you do not lose both your license nor products even if you decide to stop for a while, unless of course you decide to get a refund from the company.You CANNOT ask for a refund from McDonalds if your business fails.

Is it fair then towards the other distributors of DCHL that just you start blaming the entire company and it's system as the source of your brother's failure?

Have we not seen success stories in DCHL?Have we not seen rubbish collectors managing to carve out a decent living for themselves through this business? Have we not seen broken families who were not making end's meet rebond and reunite and live a life void of financial burdens through this opportunity?Have we not seen previously shy folks with no confidence in themselves rise up to the challenge and take on the mettle of leaders through this business?

If you have not, then it's time to wake up and start learning what goes on at the other side of the fence first before making your own biased conclusions.

2."But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd?"It does spells fast growth for the company sales, but suicidal to be a network member (if you are at the lowest). You can't be selling stuff among yourselves, do you?

Again let me bring up the example of McDonalds.

One new McDonald's opens somewhere in the world every six hours. Source: Franchise NZ Marketing Jeff R. from Illinois (9 January 1999)s.

Yet we still see MOST McDonald's having brisk business don't we?

Every year, a certain amount of interns doctors are added into the current staff of doctors into Universiti Hospital, yet don't we still see a shortage of doctors even though we would have expected the hospital to be packed to the brim with doctors?

You make the judgement for yourself.


3."Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines?"

I feel that once again, you shot this statement out of spite instead of rationale.

Start searching up google for "network marketing insurance company" and you will find the exact opposite of what you mentioned.

Let's face it, network marketing is starting to be implemented by many companies, whether you like it or not.

4.In conclusion

I apologize if I have touched a few nerves here and there.And once again Mr Steven Yip you have my profound respect for being reasonable and allowing my post to be published and be debated healthily.Again, I do not expect my post to be a main blog entry, but I would be grateful if you could point out some of my points listed here to the general public for them to view this discussion between people from 2 opposite sides of the fence.

Here's my side of the story.The side of the story from a DCHL/SYN distributor.

Cheers mate :)

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?"

This is because MOST of the MEMBERS especially from SYN never tell properly about the risk. Only tell bout the positive. Hey, a real Advisor need to let the downline know the risk of the business as well... you bugger... your advisor only tell "ITS NO PROBLEM","NO WORRY YOUR money DEFINITELY will be back very SOON"
what the crap is this?

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So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

HELLO! If I go get Franchise from MC Donald direcly from the boss, I can get the warranty, IF no business they will pay me back so not much losses, or I can get the MCD MASTER franchise means the licenser cannot give license to other people. Mean I can freely do the business without any competitor(yeah i mean MCD competitor). But how about LB ? Keep telling the MEMBER that only those members are allowed to do the business... HELLO! itu license sangat cheap aje. terlalu ramai orang buat macam mana nak untung?
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All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

Hello Me-lei-syia license can be trust or not?
And from some reports USA bans LB as LB are poisonous.
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."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

It is the truth. While steven yeam goyang kaki at home you all make money for him. So who can make income higher than steven yeam? are you out of your mind? and please dont say my boss of course gets more than me, coz you stating that downline income can be more than upline.
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4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.
-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

Another idiot statement. Do something Kim Hyun dont like, see he will stop you or not. He can stop you.
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I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

You never seen? or you pretend you never see? Just go to any meeting and you will see the upline keep on forcing downline to do this and that. Yeah sounds like they not forcing but advising huh? Yeah opps sorry they are advising... but in more threatening way. Am I right, those ex-LB ?
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That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

Yeah your company don't force, but the MEMBER including DUKE and MARQUIS keep on "ENCOURAGING"(yeah indirect forcing) us to invest(uhuk, its buying stock especially SIGNATURE ITEM) 30k.
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When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

Yeah that is they started to feel sorry to their parent's becoz borrow money just to catch a cloud. At the same time when financial crisis you will never help your downline. You will just say company rules, UPLINE cannot borrow DOWNLINE money. Just an EXCUSE.
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No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?

No offense too. What that Advisor tell the P chai when they went to the office? They say HE/SHE suit to be LB MEMBER. So who the real liar? The A chai? or the B chai?
A Chai? Yeah not suit but say he suitable.
B Chai? Yeah follow the A Chai blindly.
P Chai? Yeah coz he stupid until fork out 30k.
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While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.

So you can have more commision again? When they stop for good, just let them be. Lepaskan mereka lah, Sudahlah kana tipu. Masih nak tipu diorang lagikah?
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As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.

??? What the F... Discuss of what? discuss seems OK... but 1on1 or 3on 1 discuss? if 3 on 1 means brainwashing. Thats not a discussion.
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from Niamafulat

7:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Definition
Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising. "

Direct Selling & Franchising is a two different definition and concept. By combining them both..the business will confusing their customer about their business models...it is not just a simply say it was a franchise business..please be advice to read about franchise business and criteria then you will know the truth....

"DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company."

Bull Shit!! how can company survive without selling the goods or services...When u join u will be trained as a trainer then go for marketing hahahaha...

"2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered."

This is not an issues ..please ignore it

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

have been following your blog through rss mor than a year a go.
keep up the good work.
ur blog has helped thousands of ppl saving thousands of 30K

9:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, Steven. I saw more than 4000 people wearing Syn red T-Shirt in Sunway Lagoon today (9.9.07, Sunday). They are of people of all races (Malays, Chinese, Indian) of course Chinese is the majority of the race. I saw more young people than old people. Is this indication that they are doing quite well?

5:02 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

Well,this Francis is totally BULLSHIT! IF DCHL/SYN is so DAMN GOOD,why those local papers always mention "fragant oil lamp" MLM con ppl?

Even the local papers never mention is Lampe Berger,but u can see it from the picture itself!

From wat I read about Francis comment,he is trying to recruit ppl to save his pocket only!

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if you are a McDonalds branch owner of a certain area, is it the fault of McDonalds the brand itself then that your business is bad when it could have been due to you choosing to open it at a bad location?

First, McD doesn't ASK you to buy the franchise. You have to justify to McD why you are SUITABLE to be a McD Franchiser. McD will compare you with a list of criterias before even considering you as a frachiser. Is that the case for LB? School student also recruit. See School student can get McD Franchise or not?

Second, McD PRIMARY business is to sell hamburgers. McD doesn't go and persuade its customers to open their own McDs and stock up RM30,000 worth of hamburgers.

Francis, you have been brain washed by the rhetoric of the LB system.

11:25 PM  
Blogger Jazzi said...

Francis is not trying to say that EVERYONE should believe in DCHL/LB, he's trying to say that people have the right to find out both the good AND the bad sides of DCHL/LB before they make their decision. That is why he respects Steven Yip's website so much, because it tries to portray the risks of joining DCHL.

notice how he says 'it all boils down to the INDIVIDUAL'? =)

Francis wrote in a very respectful tone while trying to have a mini-debate, but unfortunately people who reply to his post are using too much emotion while posting their replies, and it seems they are making personal attacks on Francis more than trying to provide good facts to counter Francis' points.

If you really did want to argue against DCHL, at least argue politely, so that people who listen to you can respect you and become like you?

I agree that there are risks in DCHL, as well as there are benefits. It really DOES come down to the choice of the individual. If you make a mistake and fail in this business, yes you can go about blaming everyone but yourself, but at least do it politely. Otherwise you're just showing your own true colours, showing that you are really someone that really doesn't deserve the respect of anyone. Maybe you will realize then that perhaps being disrespectful is one of the main reasons why you cannot succeed in this business.

1:45 AM  
Blogger zio said...

The fishy part of DHCL is allows its member to buy rank with money, not encouraging them to work hard to get the rank.

ONLY A SCAM company will do that.

Francis, I hope you are still in your clear mind and not living in a fucking dream-state. Be serious.

7:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to francis =franchaisee

indonesia
tinggal menunggu berapa lama engkau bisa bertahan,hehe

english
just wait how long you can survive,hehe

2:10 AM  
Anonymous metal_hearted said...

im so sick of greedy people

12:25 PM  
Anonymous Jacklim said...

Dear Francis.
U say Steven Yip is one sided. From what i read, You are fucking one sided too. Get a life dumb mind like u wont make it. SYN never want his member to be able think properly. Thats why He tell people 100 percent postivite thinking. Jump from Time square to Melia hotel is possible 100 percent can. Positive thinking ma. Stupid. Shame on your parent.

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

watever francis said, its all bunch of bullshit u can hear from every LB member. they just love to lie to themselves. they feel great to talk cock among each other. ive many many frens who are lb members,ex-lb members and anti-lb ppl. from all the stories and wat i see with my own eyes ... is that those ppl who joined are up for fast money,nice car(childish) and to look 'cool'. it hurts to see my frens who are so into lb, their thinking is so damn naive. exactly like this francis guy. all they know is talk talk talk, never had any real experience in life before. all they do is listen to their upline stories and add more things then re-tell them to their downlines.thats where all the bullshit started. some of my fren actually just quitted lb recently, they found out this lb shit is actually like a licensed scam company.they like to twist n turn facts, brainwash ppl into believeing they are GOD. *PHUI* HOW MANY MEMBERS CAN U FIND ? if u found nothing u get nothing. sometimes i really respect those indian guy who cycle and wash ppl's car early morning just to earn a living. they appreciate every single cent they made and they really work hard for it with their own hands, NOT BY GIVING LIP SERVICE and recruiting. who's gona buy the stupid lamp, its expensive...even so u can get a dirt cheap one at cash converter(hehe which sohai had to pawn it there), the re-fill itself will cut ur throat. and please please please dun fucking bring in corporate companies to make example, LB is nothing close to McD. This is how many ppl got confused and think they are right, coz they make it sound like LB is so fucking great and big like McD and Donald Trump Org. FUCKK OFF and mark my words, this is whats gona happen. few months time u gona quit LB coz u realize that u cant find anymore ppl to recruit,therefore cutting off ur income totally.u cant afford to yamcha all the time with same bunch of cockers and when anyone ask u wat u do ? u will say some "networking" shit to make it sound like IT NETWORK BUSINESS. how long can u bum around ? someday when u quit, u'll think back all the things u have said here that supported the evil syn. when u to be matured abit, u'll realize wat this blog has been trying to warn u all these while . everyone needs a lesson of thier life, but please dont be the one giving ppl the lesson to ur frens and family. they work really hard to have some savings. YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF OTHER PPL'S MISERY. grow a dick and find a decent job u fag, if i own a missle it will defenitely land on LB office coz they deserve to go to hell 1st.

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LawrenceX here. I posted once long ago and now I still have to applaud Steven Yip for being resilient to fight this greedy money minded people! I don't see any real arguments pointed out by Francis. Looks like he's pointing out the good typical "business way" of MLM, which is, well you know, nonsense. What's with the comparison with McD? They are 2 different ventures. Francis is a typical MLMers renowned for digressing technique at his disposal.

It's great that you can make this website on list 2 in Google!! People have to be aware of these leeches around them. My own good fren turned to foe just cuz of money. Well keep up the good work Steven!

12:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jual burger lagi baik invest RM500 pun dah cukup.....at least boleh untung walaupun sikit..tak payah invest sampai 2k lepas tu 30k lepas tu satu habuk pun tak dapat...bodoh betul manusia sekarang..bak kata pepatah..sikit sikit lama lama jadi bukit....

3:42 PM  
Blogger Starboykb said...

Forcing ppl paid 30k and forcing people to joined is a big problem in DCHL. I already see too much of this crying members who cant earn much in their sales and unable to invite somebody to joined their network (pyramid).

I know miri is organizing recruitment every month and I am really grow tired listening or ever bother those member trying to pull me in always. Talking crap about my low salary. Getting fed up with this MLM market nowadays.

5:06 AM  
Anonymous my2cents said...

Dear Francis from LB,

I applaud you for writing such a lengthy argument on justifying your work in LB. But please don't compare your pathetic organization with franchises such as McDonald's.
Sure, both LB and McD share 'some' similar concepts in Marketing (probably your upline told you so), but McD's franchises are strictly controlled by their HQ to supply quality products and services. Unlike LB, literally anyone with RM2345 is allowed to 'purchase a franchise', and start recruiting any other Tom, Dick and Harry. Eventually, the organization will become an utter shithole.
And why I think LB is a scam? Because it is selling overpriced products as a cover for its franchise fee, i.e. a pyramid scam. Besides, for an expensive product such as this, i reckon it should be certified by at least an international standards body, but sadly LB is too busy reaping cash from naive 'downlines', they've forgotten to do so?

**keep your responses short next time.

4:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This francis is already brainwashed, lb brainwash method so hebat. amway n lb r same kind, use only different approach, lb use fast mathod to suck ur money, amway use slow method to suck ur money n leave u broke. amway operate like cult figure, also kena many lawsuit in other countries. check yahoo search, amway lawsuit, u will see many stories that happen 4 many years, as hebat as lb.

www.merchantsofdeception.com

7:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fukc LB !! hate them ! bernard7 fukc you too !! hahhaha .. hate you . dono why..

2:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all,

My name is Randy Khoo.

I am from Amway not LB.
Before I joined Amway, I have previewed the LB & Questnet before.

Here are my arguments based on my experience as a network marketer:

1. Why do you mention the top earns more than the bottom? In some network companies, the bottom can earn potentially more than the top.

IF YOU CAN EARN MORE AT THE TOP, IT IS A PYRAMID SCHEME.
screw wikipedia because if i put this in wiki, LB people will erase it :p

People don't know this. I recommend you be careful when looking at such opportunities.

Legal? yes, maybe. But if there are a lot of negative feedback, then there is a need to look closer at it.

2. The potential of buying a rank.
As far as i know, all Amway distributors start from the bottom and work their way up, there is no unfair advantage or sucking money from distributors. This means fair play for all.

This has been a fair thing because people who failed REALLY CANNOT point the finger back at Amway or the systems they adopt.

If you can buy your position at LB to become count, how different is that from under table money? You mentioned that distributorships can be returned.. can i return a count position then? isn't that a contradiction?

3. Marketability of LB products.
The reason why i did not join LB was because I had no confident on the product to be sold. Quality yes, demand? hard to say. After I was showed the LB marketing plan, I had done a market survey from among my friends and their reply is that it is too expensive and repeat sales is not easy to achieve among non-distributors. If you want to choose a company that will help you generate money, you need to sell, and you cannot sell if you have difficulties creating a demand for aromatheraphy oils.

Honestly, how many oil burners can you have? how many essential oils can you buy?

4. The starting cost is TOO HIGH.
Amway only charges distributors RM85 for distributorship in Malaysia. My upline DOES NOT encourage stock keeping because Amway has grown so well that next-day delivery to your doorstep is possible today.

(now, i do not know how LB is managed, but here are some observations on it)
If your justification that RM 2K is for distributorship, then how do you justify the amount? If it comes with products, (2K worth of it) there is risk of keeping stock. If it is for an educational programme, it is deceptive because in Amway, any educational programme is optional & not imposed.

If any of the above is the case, then i would see it as a FORCED distributorship. Like a McD franchise, i can choose what i want to have at my store. If i don't want to have a dessert stand(like the stand alone counter at McD sunway pyramid), i can pay less for the franchise.

Can you pay less for your LB franchise then? (since you like to compare yourself with McD)
Why is it that Amway can offer their distributorship at RM 85, when Lb is at RM2K???

5. Ethical practices.
I have heard a lot of nonsensical practices. I have heard some line-of-distributors will block your exit from leaving functions or meetings so you will hear it through.

Offended people can lodge a report to the consumer trade & affairs ministry & they will conduct a report on LB/SYN & possibly terminate distributorships.

Today I am in Amway and things are great for me.

People who have dropped-off can truly be said as their own loss, because it's Rm 85 distributorship can be grown to bigger than LB's.

It's zero risk as you have nothing to lose with Amway, even if you drop off and become inactive, it's only RM 85.

If i dropped off LB, it's RM 2K - that, if invested well, can be turned to much much more.

2K as compared to RM 85, that's 23 times more of an equal business opportunity (& possibly bigger, since Amway offer rank bonuses, free trips & recognition meetings)

If Amway sounds better to you, drop me an email at randy_khoo@hotmail.com

12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone post this to the wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragrance_lamp
It needs experts to verify its content. Feel free to discuss about it in the discussion page. Thanks.

12:30 PM  
Blogger francis said...

To be honest, I used to be a hardcore ANTI-LB person too. I used to come here just to quote "cases" to my upline(my brother) just to try to anger and dissuade him from continuing. In the end, I couldn't say no because he managed to present his case well and most importantly with REASON. Looking back now, I am really thankful to him. Because now , my confidence with DCHL/SYN/LB grows with each passing day.

I know you would love for me to reply to your responses to my post.
But so far all your responses to me were either
a)Personal attacks against ME or
b)Arguments without the backing of logic nor evidence ( Like how some say that just because LB is cheaper compared to McD, it's a shithole? I am sure you can come up with something better than that? )

The only reason I tried to show my side of the story was in hope of illiciting a mature and rationale response from you anti-LB guys which could have potentially been a very productive discussion and debate between those for and against LB.

Maybe that was too much to ask from you guys huh? ;)

I should have known. After all, I was once like you guys:) Thankfully not anymore.

8:16 PM  
Anonymous my2cents said...

Francis: When I say 'Tom, Dick and Harry', it means that recruitment plays an important role in an organization. Not because of which one produces the more expensive product. The reason i'm stating this is because EVERYONE is allowed to join the organization, without going through a designated selection process. Strictly in my view, imagine a workplace mixed with professionals, amateurs, and people with irrelevant backgrounds, doesn't that justify a 'shithole'?
Seriously, stop cheating/conning each other, it's embarrassing.

2:34 AM  
Anonymous angelina said...

hey francis~

y u didn't answer all the arguement? is it u don't have any answer to given??

u ask us to read ur statement but when it come to us y u didn't dare to read ours?..

francis is a coward~~ boooooo booooo

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u guys may check out this guy, one of the "cheaters" from SYN. http://profiles.friendster.com/3363107

8:17 PM  
Blogger - S R R - said...

to anonymous aka randy khoo,

i LIKE your comment! you pratically typed the words out fr my keyboard :). my mom was an Amway dealer, so even though i didn't like her joining MLM-type business, at least Amway's detergents smells nice AND cheap :D

n yea, to francis, why McD? McDonalds doesn't ask everybody who buy their Big Mac to open a McD ice-cream booth. and even somebody did open one, they won't want him / her to quickly open a McD restaurant without taking into consideration other factors (e.g locations, populations) coz if that outlet goes bankrupt, it will effect McD as a whole. LB? the only ones effected are the downlines themselves. better analogies, please.

and dude, totally blaming the downlines for their 'failure' to survive in DCHL is just, irresponsible.

and you (by you i mean LB-wannabes)surely know that the number of msians are finite. it has to end somewhere. if you figure out the lineage of your hierarchy, who knows, maybe you are at the base already.

sometimes i wonder, do ppl join DCHL (or MLM for that matter)because they want to get rich fast, or because they want to get sth out of it before it crumbles?

if it's the latter, isn't that scamming?

go figure.

2:34 AM  
Blogger francis said...

to my2cents : Isn't it a bigger embarassment to be someone who is so hypocritical of a person's background and profession? So what if a person was a garbage collector before he joined the business? I fail to see your point of view.

to angelina : I certainly don't see how I am a coward when I have clearly stated my reasons for not responding. Not to mention that I have left my contact details here. I am not one to comment with spite, but I would love to point out that isn't it a more cowardly act to blatantly and ignorantly calling a stranger names behind an online pseudonym when you do not even know the person himself well enough ?..

I am not one to be unreasonable. And I really do hope that you guys be reasonable when you come up with counter arguments. Otherwise, I fail to see why I should even bother trying to reply.

11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

francis,
pls shut up the fuck up and go back to ur LB office take a look at everyone there.. do u see SUCCESS written in their forehead ? yea maybe u do coz ur thinking the same thing as them, more recruit = more money. Everytime i see a LB member's friendster profile, they all share a same common strange habit. 1) They will be proud of the events held by SYN (the sunway one..WOW 10K stupid ppl gathering there) 2) they love to take pics with steven yeam and as if he's god or some sort of movie star 3) they pose wit other LB members 'cars' believing they will own one soon . francis, actually what can u learn from LB ? the lamp itself or recruiting + brainwashing skills ? find a decent job lah cibai, think out of the box and u'll see urself stuck with losers. tell me honestly how much do u think u can make within a year? ur uplines sure gave u those 'fake calculation' with hundreds of thousand or millions 'IF THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PPL JOIN' ... wow talk is cheap and free,can say any shit they want but ur brain can choose to accept it or not.guess u dun have one.

11:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BODOH PUNYA STEVEN YIP!

IF YOU BANKRUPT WHILE DOING A RESTAURANT BUSINESS DO YOU BLAME THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY?

THINK!

IF YOU FAIL WHILE DOING MLM DO YOU BLAME THE MLM INDUSTRY?

THINK!

YOU FAILED BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN LAZINESS. NOTHING COMES IN FREE. WITHOUT EFFORTS OF COURSE YOU WILL FAIL AND START BLAMING DCHL/SYN/LB. DUDE. GET A LIFE.

11:33 PM  
Blogger bryan_shiro said...

Well, just my 2 cents. MLM business especially LB, just contribute to micro-economy. Sucking in hard-earned cash of down lines and "customers". A healthy company will use the Profit Earned to invest and expand while sharing out the profit from the return of the investments as bonus to the shareholders or distributors. But the looks of it, LB just suck in the money from new recruits by selling the over priced products. It is not a healthy company, but a quicky and can pull out any time when the tide/law turns againts them.

Be mindful.

2:41 AM  
Anonymous my2cents said...

I am emphasizing on the "franchisee's" background because it DOES matter! I don't see McDonald's giving their franchise license to garbage collectors?!? The reason you don't get the point is because your organisation itself do not practice the ethics of producing quality employees. All you need to do is to search for more 'downlines' and leech on them, which is essentially GIGO.

I've witness your 'business plan' myself, none of them (clad in suits and ties) were selling their lamps or refills (which are btw outrageously overpriced!), instead they were persuading their customers to join the franchise so that they can pass their debts to the next level!

I've failed to see how did your organisation ever contributed to the society's economy? Just like how you failed to see in my point of view. McD's sell burgers and it fills out stomach, what do your lamps do? It has virtually no significance, moreover it has a bad record back in HK and no (known) improvements have been done to rectify the problem.

Do you know why are people calling you names? Because you are being labelled in a category similar to the majority of the LB-ians, superficial, naive and parasitic. Most of these commentators are VICTIMS of the scam! So pardon us if WE speak with SPITE!

No one's a coward in the Internet just as no one's a hero. If hiding your name behind a mere pseudonym is cowardice, more than half the world's population are cowards.

8:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you might one of the success. but, how about the others who are not? the number of them? yeah alots. but most of the time u will say its the own problem thats the reason why they fail. but most of the time, the ADVISOR will say YOU ARE SUITABLE FOR THIS BUSINESS. but the problem is... any pig and dog aka tom dick and harry also the advisor say he is suitable. herm but when the new comer fail, whatg you all do to help them? nothing but just blame the new comer, say he fail because he is stupid, bla bla bla. so how can you explain this francis? compared to MCD ? alot of people here already gave you the point here to not use MCD as example to compare with LB.

anyway i am waiting for your response.

from NIAMAFULAT

10:14 AM  
Anonymous james said...

francis: cheers.. keep it up.. :).. the more bad they said the harder we should do our business.. in business there is always the bad and the good.. :)..

cheers..

1:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they are doing great in this direct selling scheme, they wouldn't be bother to come to this website and write all these things. The only explaination is they are not doing well and not earning enough and try to look for reason why their business is so difficult. Eventually they found this website and write shit on it. If they are doing good, they will be busy calculating money rather than writing bullshit in this website.

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Kevin said...

well, the product is a 'loophole' to avoid the whole thing being called a pyramid scheme....

i mean...go ask around...how many ppl actually buy lampe berger products? i dare say...not many normal consumer buy...the only one buying is the person who joined this scheme...so end of the day...the so called product is being just sold/pushed down from upline to downline...and u will have many ppl with lots of LB stock stashed inside their home...

hehe...to all LB members....say what you want... if u think it's not a pyramid scheme...then good for you and good luck !!!

everyone here is 'big' or matured enough to think....and sometimes the mind is being clouded by greed...thats why this thing still happen....

7:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hated LB coz i had been cheated
now i'm in suffering

i suspect tat LB's office using perfume make ppl lost themself..
go inside they... their don't know what to do... so easy to get cheat

LB's ppl said "help each other"
bull shit... "cheat more ppl" got
where got "help each other"??

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mcmcgkBdaUE

anyway francis, so how do you answer this? go watch the report. that are ineffectiveness of lampe berger, doesnt this means this company a scam?
yeah the scam i mean is... as you said, if u invest u still get the stock, means no LOSSES... u pay the useless itam for expensive price, is that mean no LOSSES? this is the biggest losses.

from niamafulat

7:57 AM  
Anonymous james said...

just because we know how to arrange our time to spend our free time.. :P.. cheers..

=)

2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets say these gentlemen come to you, and tell you about a business, and entice you that you will make lots of money from this scheme, and it will sure to be successful,and that you can provide for your family for life, give them all the things you always wanted to (lets say its not about LB(....lets say its about peddling drugs, and they say you won't get caught..blah blah blah....

You got greedy and go into the business. They your upline reveals to you that they are actually police officers and arrest you for peddling drugs...

In the US, that is called ENTRAPMENT, In wikipedia its defined as - "In jurisprudence, entrapment is a legal defense by which a defendant may argue that he or she should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law, because he/she was induced (or entrapped) by the police to commit those acts"

Now I have attended LB meetings. Its no difference. They tell you that you are suitable, you will be successful, you are the right candidate. You can be a mechanic but you can recruit your friends to get more friends to get more friends...etc

Then when you fail, its the INDIVIDUAL, its your fault, never work hard, greedy..whatever...

Whats the difference from Entrapment? Even the law recognize that you cannot always blame an person for falling into temptation, especially if one tempting him has been highly trained and good at his job.

2:56 AM  
Anonymous flora02 said...

zzzzzzzz
support ANTI LAMPEBERGER

francis dun need to anjua anjua so much la.... =/
really sian adi and hate LB too
and all ur LB ppl also sux they'll lose all their frens including u.

ask ppl to borrow money, cheat money, lie for money... wat else oh?

after that left with all the stupid toxic lamps, really fed up la, hope u can all go to jail in the name of fraud

9:49 AM  
Anonymous b3rnard7 said...

james: go and fuck urself with ur lampa lamps! I know u r a slave of Steven Yeam!

1:26 AM  
Anonymous Pinggo said...

lets Sabotage the Lampe berger group side website at Enjoyzz.com. Fuck them

2:51 AM  
Anonymous angelina said...

BODOH PUNYA ANONYMOUS!

ORANG BENGANG DENGAN LB SEBAB KORANG2 NIE SUKA BAGI JANJI2 PALSU..ADA TAK KAU NAMPAK PENGUSAHA2 RESTORAN TERHEGEH2 CARI DOWNLINE HA BODOH?..

KAU INGAT DOWNLINE2 KAU TERMASUK KAU SEKALI YANG BODOH TU DAPAT LOAN DARI BANK DENGAN BAGI ALASAN 'SAYA NAK JOIN MLM LAMPE BERGER'.. BILA ORG BANK INTERVIEW KORG NIE..KORANG AKAN CAKAP SAYA NAK BUAT PERSONAL LOAN SEBAB SAYA NAK SAMBUNG BELAJAR LA NAK KAWEN LA...SENGAL..

KALAU KAU SENDIRI BODOH JANGAN NAK SEDAP2 PANGGIL BODOH KAT ORG YG NIAT BAIK..SENGAL!

'YOU FAILED BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN LAZINESS' - WHAT LAZINESS?.. LAZINESS TO APPLY A LOAN??..
BODOH PUNYA MANUSIA! ABIS YANG KITAORG KEJE NI APA KEBENDENYA.. KALAU ORG MALAS TAK KEJE LA SENGAL!.. KORG TU YG PEMALAS NAK KEJE..BERANGAN NAK JADI BOSS, NAK KETE BESA...KORG TU YG PEMALAS.. FURTHERMORE.. YG KORG TAHU BANGUN PUKUL 10 PAGI..DIRI SENDIRI PEMALAS LAGI MAU PANGGIL ORG..

BODOH PUNYA MANUSIA YANG BODOH..

DUDE... STEP OUT FROM OUR LIFE!

7:54 PM  
Anonymous angelina said...

hey francis argue with me!!plz

do u think people read all your bluffing statement. i know u r a count n because u scared no more downline under you, u lost all ur income! don't make statement like u have master in accountancy and make other believe 'hey, why not we try to join this lampe berger?'
bull shit.. but me?.. as a smart criticizer i read all ur bull shit statement because i know i need to educated people out there not even trapped to this lampe berger (not all mlm company, coz fews mlm company is doing in the right way)


ur statement :
An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.

my answer:
what do u mean by investment?
investment is broad definition in the account term. investment can be a short term investment, long term depend on ur capable to handle the risk!

by did an investment in the share market , we are not losing shares and money at the same time! what the hell if u mean we r losing both??... this fact only for the stupid downline under you!

we losing shares if we tend to sell the shares in the market price.and of course by selling the shares we are received the money and plus we received the capital gain (if we buy in the lower price and sell in the higher price) but we r losing the shares.

more

we will lose money if we tend to buy shares in the lower price in respect we can sell them in the higher price. but in return we have the shares in our hand. with the shares we received dividend by the company every year or quarterly depends to the company.

so my order to you is cut up ur fingers to comment to this blog and shut up ur mouth talking to ur 'prospek'n open widely ur eyes to read acountancy book~

hey francis...don't think u look good just because u use the english literature~lol


ready to fight~in the name of justice!

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi guys...

Saya adalah salah seorang Independent Distributor of DCHL, di bawah SYN Network.
Saya dah buat biznes ni sejak hujung bulan April lepas.

Pada bulan Ogos, saya decide untuk buat biz ni secara full time disebabkan income yang saya dapat di sini sudah melebihi gaji saya sebagai R&D Executive di salah sebuah syarikat manufacturing.

Pada saya, bidang network marketing merupakan salah satu channel terbaik untuk mendapatkan income yang lebih tinggi. Dalam biznes ini juga, saya telah banyak belajar banyak perkara tentang tanggungjawab & tolong menolong serta teamwork.

Kepada mereka yang masih ragu2 tentang perjalanan biznes berkonsep network marketing ini, industri ini merupakan industri yang disokong penuh oleh kerajaan Malaysia. Ini terbukti dengan pemberian lesen oleh Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri & Hal Ehwal Pengguna kepada beratus company MLM di Malaysia. Sila rujuk web ini:

http://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/index?action=pub&pub=1641

Pada saya, kejayaan dalam biznes adalah bergantung kepada sikap kita dalam menguruskan biznes tersebut.
Bagi saya, biznes ini telah menjadi family biznes kerana hampir semua ahli keluarga saya adalah independent distributor (part time & full time).
Rakan2 baik saya juga telah ramai yang berada dalam biznes ini kerana keyakinan mereka sendiri, bukan secara paksaan.

Sekiranya ingin tahu lebih lanjut mengenai industri ini, saya bersedia untuk memberi penerangan lebih lanjut.

My Email: home_worker5737@yahoo.com

Saya bersedia membantu sesiapa jua yang ingin tahu mengenai industri ini.

Cheers.

12:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm neither condoning nor condemning, and am also not a member of LB. The company (just like any other MLMs) as well as the terms & conditions of LB membership per se are legitimate and harmless (I've read them through). The thing is, it depends solely on the individual, your actions are your own personal choice. However, the 'bad' comes along when folks abuse it due to many factors - greed, over-ambitiousmess, being unrealistic, etc. Also some who use undue influence and exploitation ( in young and naive fellas) to get their way through.

Just a few words for those who want to get rich quick via this...

If you can well afford to 'buy' a high position in LB (e.g. you have solid savings of your own, or your parents etc can afford and agree to help you), then well and good - if being a count is how you can climb up faster and earn more. You may also treat it like another investment.

Unfortunately, it's disheartening to see a number of youth (esp. fresh graduates) getting super-desparate to get straight to become a count when in reality, they not able to fund the capital (~ RM 3x,xxx). I've came across such cases in real life. Some of them resort to stiff personal loans from banks, borrowing from friends, persuading and crying in front of their parents, and when parents refuse/can't afford it/unwilling to become guarantor, they accuse their parents for being the most unsupportive parents in the world!

Being heavily in debts for a fresh grad is not a good start in the first place. Good if you can earn it back. But loan RM 40k or 50k and what happens if the biz does not turn up as well as expected? People always tell you their success stories in biz, which in reality are the minority among the many who try their fortune in biz. Then your whole life will be ruined by becoming a slave to debts. Similarly, it's also sad if it comes from your parent(s)' hard-earned & only fund left for their old age - EPF (talking about middle class home here). Is it fair to them?

There's no easy way out to become successful and rich. It's fine if you wanna do MLM, but go and get a proper job first and work hard for the real job. MLM should come in secondary/part-time for a start. only if you're very sure that you are super well-estb in ur MLM, then you may consider doing it fulltime.

Adults (past 18 y.o....) must be responsible enough to realise things. Be objective. While you must be positive, you must also weigh the good against the bad. Then, make your judgment and decision.

it's good to become Count straight if you can afford it without strecthing your wallet with so much pain. if you need to be in heavy debts to get it, think twice. since there's no guarantee of success, you must realise the risk of failure. maybe you can start from lower rather than so high coz it's more affordable? then work hard and earn that position later. and don't let your upline friends pressure you!

Erhmmm. i'm curious. while i'm ok with everything else, here's something i find weird. what's that SYN (yeah, i know who that guy is...) tag for on the blazer? member of DCHL, or working for SY's network? assuming if i become a member of LB because i like the products but not because i wanna sell, can i not wear SYN or blazer if i step my foot at the office?

7:56 PM  
Blogger Trevor said...

Steven: bravo for the comment!

Your point is damn right:

Recruiting people in normal sales world is like shooting your own feet - you will get more and more salesman + saleswoman, it will create competition and end up you will have no customer.

So their point of recruiting is very obvious :)

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anywaym read The Malay Mail... Datuk Michael Chong ask them not to kacau those students... Yeah he asked those LBer's.

from NIAMAFULAT

4:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I don't have any problems with MLM business structure, it's legitimate in every way, I couldn't agree more with the apparent 'culture' within LB which masquerade as a MLM business but proved otherwise. I was approached by a close friend whose bf is a member of LB. When met with him and his friends, they kept telling me that I don't have to sell ANYTHING. Later, I had a chance to confront my friend, when pressed further, she admitted by saying that the way I earn my commissions is through recruiting people to join. Then I told her straight away that I am not interested and also I didn't want to offend you since we were close friends. Guess what- her bf had the audaity to call me back and ask me why I refused to attend when promised so. What a moron!

10:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thx

9:24 PM  
Anonymous marquis steve said...

yesterday steven yeam come suck my dick. u know?

10:58 PM  
Anonymous Intan Payung said...

Cuma fikir secara neutral... apa bisnes sekali pun tetap ada risiko.. Tapi dlm bidang bisnes mana yg pesaing akan saling bantu membantu dalam menjayakan bisnes tersebut?

Poko pangkalnya.. tepuk dada... tanya la kemampuan diri sendiri...

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm just curious. all of you here focus just on lampe berger product. as far as i know, dchl product is not only lampe berger. they have estebel, spa & ed pinaud as well. maybe the most of their sales doesn't come from lampe berger, but from other resources. so, i just want to know your opinions on this.

6:41 AM  
Anonymous angelina said...

mana ada bisnes yg pesaing membantu?... huk allloohhh..

booooo to lampe berger!!! ''lampe berger where all the loser gathered!''

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm from JB,

It's been time there are no update story for this webpage, hope can hear more, I don't know the situation at KL but in JB, DCHL is still at large..

Buck up!

George Amadeus

5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha, this blog is interesting. can learn a lot of thing from it. here's a little introduction from me. i am a 18yr old guy(just turned 18). some people just wanna show off their good cars o wad. i study somewhere nearby some lame burgers outlets..haha..whenever i pass thru..i will see they all stand outside as if having a model show or parade. everyone look so smart...with coats..etc..haha..there was few times when few people asked me to join...then i just asked them few question..then they walked away with their face 'lcly'.haha. to the people out there that thing everyone wanna join u :
why people wanna join u? u tot every1 so money minded like u arr?
BMW o Benz how much nia..lol..my fren owns a E Class n 5 Series oso dun dare haolian infront a 18yr old kid arr..coz whenever we go some place..i will drive my proton there..FYI, its a saga..haha..very cheap car if compared o my fren's..but le..when go eat..play...drink..all is that proton saga ppl pay lo..now u beggers noe y those ppl dun dare hao lian infront me? a 18yr old kid's expenses a month can pay his E Class n 5 Series's monthly payment arr..but le..i dun do those lamb thing...do proper business la..haha..somemore..i m not spending my dad o mum's $..n to all those 18yr old ppl:
this world not only those business tat can help u earn..still got many other business wan..
then theres 1 time my fren was invited to lamb's talk...he was cheated to there...he got so angry that when he reach there...after listening the 1st 5minutes if their 2hours talk...he went off n shut the main power electricity..haha..then tat nite's meeting was counted a failure..haha...

off now- just too bored in the morning(4.50am)

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DCHL/LB provide 90% money back guarante if v can't achieve e target within the certain month..anybody else here as a dchl/lb victim got their money back gurantee?

For steven yip,
did your brother got his 90% guarantee back? hd him ever claim this? how about the feedback?

for DCHL members,
can u explain clearly here the condition if v want to get our guarantee?and can all of you prove here if there any victim that got back their money when they cant achive the target?
TQ

8:25 PM  
Anonymous RJesh said...

hi there,

why wouldnt you rally a petition, asking those victims sign it and send it to RZ Corp, M.R.I or Edisi Siasat or TV3 or big authorities like Bnak Negara, KPDN, SSM or whatsoever to make your voice heard.

12:38 AM  
Anonymous Dennis said...

I couldn't access www.dchl.com.my for quite some time. Is there anything wrong with the website/company??

3:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

slnfatdfScratch and win has been banned. Next may be Lamb Burger so beware....

11:11 PM  
Anonymous Lee Kian Teck said...

My uncle was a member himself. I swipe RM 30k worth of products using his credit card to become a Count. And my word that is his biggest ever mistake.

Its his life and normally i could not be bothered, but the problem is that partial of his credit card debt was paid by my mom out of sympathy.

I have been to numerous talks, seminars and stuff like that. And i realised several issues with this business model:

1. In the advancement of the internet age, ppl will use the internet to validate the authenticity of their claims. And try do a google of the products sold like the stupid lamp and their essential oils. they cost less than a fraction of the price LB is shoving it to their members and customers. And mind u, that its inclusive of delivery charges from the states and europe.

2. A fool and his money will soon be parted. The recruiting system uses the smoke screen of a network marketing company to cover the actual scheme performed by SYN members... ie pyramid scheme. Every single SYN fucker i have met in my life ( and there's a lot of them, trust me), they spill the same shit... (U just need to pay XXX amount and find 5 members, let me do the talking to them).

3. Their products are niche products that are overpriced. Refer to point one. All u need is to perform a search on the limited edition difusers online and see for yourself how much it is actually sold.

4. If you are serious about starting a career in network marketing, please, go find other established and more reputable companies. Lampe Berger's reputation is smellier than our government or a pile of cow dung. I am not against network marketing as it is a genius marketing scheme.

5. I can see the end is near. My uncle tragically lost all guidance when his upline network collapse and most members left the organization. Like a stack of cards. Congratulations.

6. Lampe Berger members are the least likable person in my opinion. Either you are one of them, or u downright despise them. I am the latter due to my uncountable meetings with them. The fake encouragement, the fake smile, the fake rolex, the BMW on long term loan, the fake claim of accomplishment, the fake dream that will never come true and the fallacy of the entire marketing scheme.

I pray for their collapse to come swiftly. The society have suffered enough of time and money wasting.

To those who have 'succeeded', congratulations. You can never imagine for every single successful member created, there are countless members out there that are in a financial situation beyond repair. I am very 'proud' of your accomplishments. i am sure you are your parents, upline, pet dog, lice are too!

For those you woke up and left early before the big damage is done. Well done, there are alot of honest ways to earn money.

As for those who were so badly burnt, this is a good lesson for you. There is no such thing as easy money in this world. If there is, its 99% a scam.

For me, i presently invested in several properties and have an honest job in Singapore. And i crave for the day this LB crime is exposed.

Great job on your blog. I hope you can publish this as a main article. I want the world to know.

Keep up the good work.

10:54 AM  
Anonymous Poetic Angel said...

I just checked out the Direct Selling Association of Malaysia.

DCHL or Lamp Berger is not listed as a direct selling company!

How is this so?

Does this mean Lampe berger is illegal??

1:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you can make money with LB if you find downlines..
if not, bye-bye to your money...
my friend encourage me to join LB and said i don't need to sell LB.. what i need is just find downline as much as i can... is this MLM??

1:29 AM  
Anonymous Benedict said...

I would say that Lampe Berger is equally as bad as Questnet

http://bahrainidrivel.com/?p=195

3:26 AM  
OpenID silentjess said...

hi, i have to say, i am one of the anti-dchl-eans.
my ex tried to get me to join, but i didn't. eventually, he never mentioned but i believe he got axed.
oh well, its up to one to decide if they can go to sleep at night after joining and doing the 'business'.
i did like the products though.

7:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im reading a lot of comparison of DCHL and McDonalds. Im appalled with the fact that such comparison is made.

Who is DCHL to be compared to McDonalds? In what way are you similar and ethically, you are below the ground to be even mentioned on the same line in a sentence with McDonalds.

p.s. Your SYN LB Count just borrowed money from me. Yup he earns 5 digit, maybe he spend 6 digit of them? or maybe the 5 is inclusive of the decimal point?

11:46 PM  
Anonymous Marquis (",) said...

Yeah2 ..you all are so pathetic guys..!!!!
Thats why Malaysia never grows!! Yo u trying to spread hate and rage between people...
You can what so ever you want about your Count plan position n joining the group..
as far as I read a lots of people here failed bcause the SGN NOT SYN !!!!!
Join SYN..We have the Duke provide us a good facilities although he/she never get a cents from anyone..The were sincerely helping us and especially me..
and I do the Count plan I spend about rm 36000 but in 5 month I get my rm36000 PLUS with rm 11540..dude if you said it worst, fucking or anything you want to say..I'vE GOT MY FUCKING MONEY BACK PLUS WITH BENEFITS !!!! it is not a waste..
and beside my computer right now I do have a lampe cost me rm2600 with my bois de santal..it was a great product..Think back guys..everything have it pros and cons..there was never a business without sacrifices..do not believe me..but it was fact!!!..try and go ask some of the millionaires out there ..

12:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From NiamaFuLat

aww,,, this marquis seems boasting...
For your info, some marquis even borrow RM500 from me... What the hell is this?

Is it marquis can't even fork out RM500 by himself?

4:30 AM  
Anonymous zal said...

You can claim whatever you want but in the end, truth remains that most of the people involved in MLM will end up worse than they're used to be.

I was pursuaded by a friend once, to look at opportunities in LB. We met at San Francisco coffee, and when i said i'm gonna pay for the coffee, she didn't even try to insist. Fine. She could be new so perhaps not making money, only rich in motivation that this could be her life-altering business for her. So we talk and talk.

Few days later she invited me for a dinner at a club in KL. Hmmm, LB people could afford to buy their prospective partner dinner while briefing about the business. not bad huh? So we met at the club, and she introduced her seniors who are supposedly damn rich people. One had a camera business beside LB, another is a CEO of a multimillion ringgit company, and another that sells luxury cars. They let me order anything that I want before the discussion began.

In the end, I had to pay for my own dinner. What sort of salespeople invite u to a dinner, and end up asking u to pay for yourself? Worse, how can a bunch of CEOs and milliondollar men couldn't buy their prospect a dinner?

I left the club thinking that these counts and dukes and whatever they are, have no more money than I do.

9:40 PM  
Anonymous LB is another crap! said...

I'm an ex-LB.

Imagine, to be a Count, 5 person that u've recruited have to 'berhutang!'...this 5 person will recruit another 25 person to 'berhutang!'. Yes, they will say that RM2.5 is at your hand (the product). But, understand clearly, they normally encourage others to recruit another and not really buy the products!

Memang ada yang berjaya, tapi atas kesusahan orang lain. Ingat diorg peduli ke dgn downline? Kerjasama konon! Mereka yang tolong downline hanya untuk pastikan diorg juga dapat duit! Maklumla dah labur beli kereta besar untuk gelapkan mata orang lain..

Udah-udahle..

7:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

did anyone pointing at ur bro's head with a gun to force him to invest? Adult oredi, please be more matured. And please don say it's lured to do that. Marketing plan is really like that. Benefits are there. For those ppl are greedy and with wrong intention, what will they gonna do for that. WE DO NOT KNOW. Come on, How old are you? If you have a gf whom ur mum doesn't reli like, will u carry on? haha...no one forcing u.

30k lost in DCHL. how much of ur money that your gf has spent? I felt sorry that it was ur daddy's money that ur bro has used. ur bro failed, why he failed while others could succeed? who should u blame? ur bro. Did u ever get top one result in ur class? while others at the back? So sorry that ur bro might be the lazy one.
isn't it common sense that not every could succeed if they don't pay effort. But everyone does have a CHANCE to succeed. that's different boy, don't literally argue over the words. enough.

customer can become a seller. You go makan at McD, got interested in that bisnes, then u negotiated with the master franchise. Then u invested and became a burger seller. What's wrong with that? you take insurance as an example. Please be responsible for what u have written down and what you're going to write. Who said insurance agent doesn't recruit people? their first approach is to sell insurance policy first. They do have network to build. Please go n find out boy. And u better be careful that do no let ppl catch u doing bisnes. Even you have ur own bisnes, u'll never buy ur own products while keep pushing it to customers.

Aren't u tired to post something that appears superficial and others always got solid reasons to fight back?

give u a suggestion. U go to police station and lodge a complaint. Save the trouble of being a fool here. Next time i would suggest to give you a ticket to go to our events. At that moment please do not reject by saying it's brainwashing. Don't be scared to see those ministers, cos you'll get a chance to tell them directly it's a scam. More straightforward than writing here.

Go grab a book about network marketing. don't make a fool of urself here. you hav plenty better things to do at ur age. But you do have capability to build up ur network here. But too bad, it doesn't earn u any money. Think of that. But i don't think u dare to do it also. It's a SCAM!

Steven Yeam rocks!

9:41 PM  
Anonymous angelina said...

anyway anyhow NEVER invest to LB... bestest way as a youngster @ teenager do not listen to the 'cinderella' story...

if u really want to play with a mlm.. play with the safest as insurance, mutual fund which is approved by the bank negara malaysia...

if the bank will not lend any money to the lampe berger so why do u?

cheers to the smart people!!

1:57 AM  
Anonymous Lee Kian Teck said...

A lot of LB members do not understand the basics of finance and accounting.

The simple difference between assets and liability.

They are encourage to 'invest' in depreciating liabilities being told as assets, take huge liabilities like that BMW on long term car loan and being told that it is 'assets'.

For fuck's sake, an asset is anything that puts money in your pocket. By encouraging their members to purchase posh cars, posh lamps on credit, they create a situation where members will have to put in extra work to make the month payments (which translates to more recruitments, and more commission for the upline). Its a vicious cycle where the victims would find more victims.

In my opinion, money generated from LB is not sustainable. Give it another 2 years and see it collapse. and then i would love to see how the existing members will continue to finance their piling credit debt and their 9 year BMW loan. =)

Take my advice, its better to spend 5k on financial courses rather than 36k to learn a lesson about money. My uncle is one such victim.

8:02 PM  
Anonymous Lee Kian Teck said...

On a lighter note.

If i am a consumer, and i realize that the essential oils and diffuser lamps sold on the internet retailers from Europe are 50% cheaper than DCHL, why would i buy from them?

I might as well get it online, cos they even cover the shipping fee.

So this proves another point that LB products are only sold to new fools, oops i mean members.

8:07 PM  
Blogger Bruce said...

Hey Steven Yip,

Why not you put up links and affiliates of LB products retailers in Europe on your website.

Visitors will be able to see the real price of the products, plus if existing consumers who are interested to buy it cheap, they can get it from u for a small commission from the retailers over sea.

That way, you get to educate visitors of the real value of the products and earn some side bucks for your work here.

My 2 cents.

8:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my friends have tried to ask me to join this so-called Lampe Berger business. When they were trying to persuade me, they said that they earned how much how much..

Now..

Not only them, their friends in Lb also failed. Kesian..

My pocket money is even more than their income..

Said will earn this much n that much..

In the end.. earned nothing.

10:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hehe bagi aku, org yg pemalas selalu kasi alasan macam2 atas kemalasan dia. didlm network marketing digalakan mencari ilmu, supaya nampak apa tujuan yg dilakukan, supaya investment yg tak berjaya, mesti ada sebabnya, kegagalan tidak bererti tidak berjaya, cukup la utk buang masa menyalahkan org , lain , cuba check diri sendiri seblm nak salahkan org lain,

1:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Steven Yip, :)

As far as i could see overall your blog, with the name on your blogspot, the sub titles, even your email address. Seems like everyhitng u wrote and every second is all about Anti-Lampe Burger.

First of all, Let me clarify this. Lampe Berger is a product, NOT An ORGANIZATION that is targeting the future market which is the Air market. It functions to purifying the air which you can see the air is getting polluted nowdays compared 10years back.

But what i can see from the whole entire blog is ur hatred towards Lampe Berger. No offence Mr. Steven. I'm not in the Biz n certainly not involve in this industry. Why i am posting this comment is because i felt it's a little bit unfair to Lampe Burger itself to have such reputation. Yet i am a CONSUMER of this product which helps and healed me from my Asthma. Lampe Berger is ABSOLUTELY not invent by Malaysian nor Steven Yeam or what u called the SYN.. The FACT is the product is Originaly from France. Thanks to Lampe Berger i am no longer now suffers from my Asthma attack.

This biz has exist in Malaysia for almost 7 years by now. I have seen people succeed in this biz having good life, earning well and i'm not jealous. As far as this biz is concern. This is a million Dollar industry which generates 25-30 million Ringgit sales to our economy EVERY MONTH. these Contribution is indeed helpful to our economic in Malaysia. Because Better Economy means better Lifestyle for the people.

So if this biz is like what i say that GREAT, THAT GOOD! WHY AM I NOT DOING THIS!?!?

1. NONE BUSINESS IN THIS WORLD IS GUARANTEED.

-my dear friends out there, Today if wanna open a new business say a Mamak stall (uncountable similar biz). Is there any guarantee u will be as successful as those existing ones?? Ask Yourself again this question my dear audience. Or Let me offer you a place in Oxford University. One of the Top rank Uni in the World. Tell me this, will u guarantee u'll get a cert by studyin there?? Definately the answer will be NO! Without any efforts, no revision, so study, skippin classes...you can never graduate there even you're in One Of the BEST University in the world. Thus Mr. Steven, you must understand when ur brother invest in this biz there is no guarantee of success or failure. It's all depends on the individule whether how bad he wants it. Very sorry to know that your dad took all his KWSP money by supporting your brother in this industry. Then your bro should really Even be MORe serious by doing what he says because he should know how hard your father save for his retierment money n now it has gone because he don't wants to continue and give up by saying poeple scam him. Honestly,it sounds more like an excuse than facts to me Mr. Steven.
If your bother NOT SURE about this industry n feeling fishy, then he shudn't join at this industry at the first place. I believe SYN did not hold a short gun n force ppl to join this industry. It is actually the individual itself that makes the decision to join. And now Mr. Stven i totally understand how u feel. You must hated Lampe Berger, Hated SYN , Hated DCHL so much because of what had happen to your family but i BELIEVE u are not the typical type of human where everythings went wrong u stated to make the blame on everyonw else.

In conclusion, Bro and sis out there please make a Rational jugement and decision before evaluate any thing in your life. Spoiling people's reputation is the REAL sin because sin comes from the original Jealousy. end of part1.. will be continue..

Sincerely by HiRu

2:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I buat Ok jer Dgn Lampe Berger ni?
you all yang Sucx hahaha

9:10 AM  
Blogger yusof said...

Can DCHL continue to prosper in Malaysia with Lampe Berger lamps for 5-10 years?

It’s amazing that this DCHL direct marketing + franchising or whatever you wish to call it to make it sound and look fancy from the art of marketing, that this direct selling company can trade under the Direct Selling Act 1993 can persuade its members to prosper with just one product. Is it a medicinal product? Traditional Medicines? Traditional Cosmetics? Whatever it is, this product that makes certain medicinal claims because it has been used for more than 6000 years and in another 1000 years it will become more effective due its super seniority, not on evidence on how it works, so this product can only “work” by marking mechanism, not medical means. It reminds me of my last experience in a drug multinational company, when the company acquired an OTC lines which contains many Traditional Medicines Products and the sales became more than triple with marketing techniques, but same products, the same packaging and labels but higher prices. What’s the difference with Estebel and Ed Pinaud 1833, in those years they never felt anything to adulterate the medicines, but the in the present time, I am sure there are plenty of synthetic oils to do the good jobs. In Malaysia, adulterating medicinal products is against the law, but who can check this? Thanks to the Malaysians prince of Machiavellian and also found their place in DCHL. Results justify the means! So in conclusion we shall call it “The Marketing Product” and because the advocates of this product may think Lampe Berger Lamps are exempted from other laws like the Medicines Sale Act 1952 or the Drugs and Cosmetics Regulations because the products are marketing by unconventional channels. I wonder weather Lampe Berger lamps are registered with the Ministry of Health. When the Pharmacy Act is passed in not so long in the future, all this type of products with medicinal claims can only be sold from fixed premises. What I am trying to say, this is just one that limits this DCHL’s business. The western people may use this type of product for preventive medicines, but they have to pay with pocket money from their surplus income because no health plan or insurance can cover this. Western people don’t want to get sick, because it’s going to affect their quality of life. If they fell sick no matter how often, they don’t have to pay from their pocket money because the insurance can do the job. In economic terms, this product is limited by the healthcare system. In the year 1833, not so long before medicine became professionalized in which some western people of the present day would hate because it restricted their right and this type of product had gone through their hard times in promoting even to their own regular customers, but they still managed when they found lights in the developing world. At the present time, many Malaysians can be persuaded to buy this products because they too don’t want to get sick and when they get sick, it’s going to be very costly for them and very few Malaysians buy private health plan, unless the they will come when they don’t have to pay the bill anymore and this is inevitable to happen in not so long in the future when the government implement the National Health Financing Scheme and the history will repeat itself like what happened in the west in the 19th century. So dear future investor, if you cannot copy the Machiavellian character, avoid it and it saves your embarrassment.

As I have observed, the Prince of Machiavellian in DCHL have no mercy at all who they want to dragg into their business. They even invite underage to attend the meeting. The trick is they will ask the underage to pursuade their parents to sigh up, and off course later on to commit the capital in the name of love. This is like bringing underage to the night spots and I say this is the illigal aspect of this business

11:13 PM  
Blogger yusof said...

What francis meant is you have to be like Michiavellian. Want to joint, bring your capital to buy upward. If you loose, it's your fault. Hit your head on the wall. As simple as that

1:46 AM  
Blogger Kian Teck said...

If you ppl want to know what real investments are, visit my blog at leekianteck.blogspot.com

Don't waste your time with this Lampe Berger Ponzi scheme crap.

Been there, seen it, done it, full of crap.

6:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Steven,

I fully support you and you should know that LB is doing the similar "business" in Hong Kong. Now many people are having protest under their building from time to time and I believe LB will fall soon.

Cheers,

2:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just one question here.
If people claim Steven Yap is a rich millionaire and many others who invest in this business turn millionaires, why am I haven't came across any of them in any rich list?

8:50 PM  
Blogger nasnasa said...

he is one of the conman out there.come and get my money huh...

12:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waa, after I open this blog I got IMPRESSED with the TACTICS by S.O.H.A.I francis and other "INNOCENSE" partners who support this S.O.H.A.I francis.

I really impressed but ONE QUESTION to all who read this post,

"IF SYN CAN MAKE MONEY, WHY ALL THESE S.O.H.A.I partners GOT TIME TO WRITE SUCH A LONG POST?

Anti Lamper Berger Blogspot will get more and more FAMOUS

HIGHER GOOGLE PAGE RANK to this blog!

9:05 AM  
Anonymous yeehaaa said...

elo2.

ni opinion aku la. xpaya masuk bende2 camni.

mmg betul buat bende ni bole jd kaye. kaye gile pulak tuh. masalahnye skrg ni org yg xjd kaye tu lg ramai.

sbg contoh. 10 org join bende ni. yg jdi kaye sorg je. then the rest mmg xdpt ape2. mgkin yg invest 2.5k tu get back their money. but how about the person who invest 37k? dlm 10 tu maybe 2-3 of them invest >30k.ni aku amek contoh 10 org. kalau a thousand of them? do the math guys. bile xdpt untung mule la give up. bkn sket beb nilai duit tu.

knape sorg je yg berjaye? sbb mgkin xputus2 berusaha. and yg xberjaye pulak disalahkan sbb xde usaha. wtf? bkn sng beb nk cari org.

salah company ni gak. nk pujuk org masuk bkn maen lg. ckp mcm nak jadi kaye tu mudah. senang je nk cari downline. ayat manis2. (sume ayat2 manis ni pun dorg train kpd newbies~~) tjuk sume bende yg hebat2. kete2 besa. duit juta2. buat org terpengaruh.

then sume sanggup jual itu jual ini nak dpt duit. sgup pinjam member. buat loan. after they join. baru sedar. rupenye ssh and xseindah spt yg diberitahu. menyesal xgune sbb duit dah lebur. refund? fuck la refund.

pastu nk baya utang pulak. sigh. byknye utang! haha. join la lg bende2 ni.

pastu dorg ni attack bdk2 mude yg fresh la konon. contohnye student. cam member2 aku. kesian beb.student UNIVERSITY. sbb bende ni. study ntah kemane. pk nak kaye je. las2 ape yg dpt? xdpt pape pun. cam yg aku ckp td. dlm 10 yg berjaye sorg je. pastu yg sorg tu igt sng2 je nak berjaye? xsemudah yg disangke.

come on guys. byk lg bende lain yg bole dibuat. jgn la terpedaye dgn bende2 ni. dr segi luaran mmg la tgok bkn penipuan. tp sbenaye ade unsur2 penipuan.

itu je la. mls aku nk type pjg2.
chow.

10:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sume bodo kalau join. mule2 masuk xde nye pk nk jual lampu. mst pk semate2 nak cari org tuk cover blk duit yg dorg invest. fak la kalau kate nak jual brg. brg2 tu sume brg low class tp jual kat harge mahal. tujuan masuk tu adalah baya duit. and cari org. brainwash dat person. and dpt duit. xpaya la nk tipu. sial. korg mmg cari org2 yg mate duitan. dihasut dgn duit. sampai sanggup jual itu ini. loan tuk join korg. bodo. baik jual berger. cari duit care normal.

2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what i see is a loser,sumbody dat depends on his father to do sumthing and failed to do anything..another loser is sumbody that's telling the whole world dat his brother is such a loser,hahaha!!sorry to say,its a waste of time to talk to these two losers..hahaha!!!n all the comments must be approved by the blog author,hahaha!!who cares??

3:49 AM  
Blogger TF said...

Hi Steven Yip,

When you are talking some people, get retirement fund from parents and those elderly hard earn money, First the SYN member who is convince the business themselves should not give up the business. He can still work full time and do it part time. Second for such great opportunity why was other distributor making money but not him and not even a single sales!!! What was actually happen here? Have your brother ever thought about it? Last but not least follow other member with kind hearted we as a community in SYN is just like a big family it is our culture dont depends purely on your introducer. Follow those with right mindset and have a good heart. May your brother change his mind for what he is doing to change his lives.

A DCHL/SYN Member,
SW

8:53 PM  
Blogger TF said...

Dear Randy,

There isn't any right or wrong in business. But first I need people to think well. For RM 85 for member being amway? How much can a distributor earn? It will be all down to dollar and cents. How much sales you need to make for Amway before a distributor make money? How do you educate a downline? It is so hard to make any money. If for LB for 2345 any member can make back 2345 or depends on rank franchise or baron it is how we make money. Can you tell us how Amway make money? Just my opinion. Understand on stockist system it works great.

A DCHL/SYN Member
SW

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again.. Basically, I think DCHL has great products, but people just take DCHL as a company who sells MONEY for money. I agree with Francis. To earn, you must learn about its great products... not just look and think about MONEY. There will not be any beggar if MONEY can come if we "goyang kaki".

Just stop GOYANG KAKI and have effortless dream.

10:05 PM  
Blogger Kian Teck said...

Once again,

To all readers that are thinking of joining LB. PLEASE DON'T.

You will regret it, big time.

They will use all sorts of tricks and manipulations including:

Promise of great wealth,
Lure of women,
Flashy cars

Don't be like the rest of the LB members posting here. They have been scammed, and they are out to scam others. Just like AIDS.

Come to think of it, LB members ARE like AIDS.

12:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sy ade seorg kwn yg join bnda mengarut ni..punyalah beriya2 dia ajak sume org join...tp kami x tertipu sbb kami x tamak dan x bodoh mcm dia..sy prnh ikut kwn sy ni g ofis dchl utk dgr diorg berceramah...punyalah nk tergelaknya sy...semua yg dia ceramahkn tu mengarut..mane blh dpt pulangan cm2 byk..haha..dah la ofis kat melaka tu buruk giler mcm tempat pelacur jer, kenapa tak buat bangunan cam klcc ker kalau dah kaya sangat?? tp mmg diorg pndai main kata2, sape yg bodoh dan x berilmu mmg akn tertipu..kwn sy ni puas memujuk.. nsib baik sy x terjebak..sy pikir pnjg, tnya sume kwn2, dptkn maklumat sbyk mungkin, dan sy buat keputusan x join.. dia agk kecewa..nk dipendek citer.. kwn sy ni, memang seorang yang rajin sangat-sangat orangnya buat bisnes ni..sampaikan study dia lingkup, lintang pukang,kelas tak pergi, sebab malam-malam buta baru blik, pukul 3,4 pagi baru reti nak balik umah, buat bisnes la katakan, semua subject kena bar dengan lecturer,tak boleh ambil exam,last-last drop semua subject dan tak amblik exam, dia tak hirau lansung dah pasal study.. kalau dulu dia memang student yang rajin, tengok la macam mane dchl ni wash kepala hotak dia..punyala dia kejarnya dchl ni sampai lupa semua tanggungjawab dia.. punya la byknya dia melabur..mula-mula pinjam duit mak, lepas tu tak cukup duit mak, jual sume laptop and barang-barang yang dia ade..pinjam duit dr kawan smpai skrg x byr2..disebabkan semua tu dia hilang kawan. duit bil 7 ringgit pun tak boleh bayar, "jutawan" ape ni? sy tengok sekarang ni tak kaya-kaya pun, rumah sewa tak berbayar sampai kena halau dengan tuan rumah, bil api air tak pernah nak bayar, ini ker "jutawan" yang dchl "basuh" ni? teruknya...memang merosakkan... memang fuck la dchl ni..memang dia rosak sekarang ni, dia lupa tujuan dia sebenarnya untuk belajar. kesian kat mak ayah. sedih betul.. sekarang saya tak tau kat mane dia dan ape dah jadi dengan dia.. kesimpulannya kat sini,
1. tolong dptkn maklumat sebanyak mungkin sebelum membuat sebarang pelaburan..
2. pastikan tempat yang korang nak laburkan tu ade link dengan bank negara or SEC..
3. banyakkan membaca tentang pelaburan sebelum membuat sebarang pelaburan supaya tak tertipu
4. jgn mudah tertipu
5. laburlah wang anda kt tempat2 yg mmg da establish, mcm kat bursa malaysia.

kpd rakyat malaysia, xkan lah x pernah tgk tv or baca buku? dah banyak sgt dah org ckp tntg keburukan benda ni, so tak payahlah nak terjebakkan diri anda..SEC pun da pnh ckp psl ni...so tolongla buka sikit minda tu.. sy da byk bljr benda ni, dan skrg ni masih lagi dlm pembelajaran utk meningktkan ilmu..

cukuplah pada saya untuk ambil contoh dari kawan saya tadi untuk panduan buat saya.. daaa~~~~

4:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a businessman and I earn RM100,000 per month. I am the CEO of a well-known company listed on the Main Board of Bursa Malaysia and I have acquires shares in over 20 other big corporations.

Other than, I also have a charity fund in which I collect money and use it for something beneficial and good for the society.

I have joined Lampberger before, did the business for two years, and was quite successful with it. So, I know more about this business than many of the other Lampeberger members who posted comments here do.

All I can say is, Lampeberger members don't have a DICK, they are LIARS, they're stupid ASSHOLES, they're for GAYS and LESBIANS and they're going to go to HELL. FUCK THEM, because they're full of BULLSHIT, and they're definitely a group of FUCKFACE.

5:05 AM  
Anonymous V. Sundrram said...

Good day everyone.

I have done my fair share of investigation on MLM and i can say that i KNOW how they work and why they work. these are some of the facts that i can share with you:

1. The MLM company is a scam if payments for the uplines are generated from money paid by people entering into the business, not from the profits obtained from the selling of products.

2. the emphasis is on recruiting people, they don't explain much about their products. in SYN / DCHL the Lam berger and estebelle products are the 'device' used to show that they are selling something, but the money is from people joining the busisness.

3. They need to show they are selling something, if not they will be classified as 'pyramid scheme'. THEY ARE PYRAMID SCHEME, but by giving you some products, they gain the legal loophole to say they are doing it legally.

4. A legal marketing plan is a plan that doesn pay you money if you are not working, you get paid if you work. For example, if you are an AMWAY member, you dont get any money if you dont do anything, even if under you there are diamonds and crowns. you need to work to get paid, thats a legal MLM company. in DCHL, all you have to do is 'invest' 30K, get some young naive ones to invest under you, manipulate them to recruit more people, sit back and see the money rolling in.

DCHL/SUN marketing plan is not legal, the products are legal, they are misusing the products.

4. They will always have some expensive looking office to show their credibilty - if you visit their office in wisma HLA, it's GRAND, they even have a spa there with all of the french painting, just to show you THEY are high end company, it is all just 'impressions'. even to enter the spa, you must wait for your turn, clever - it shows 'exclusiveness'.

5. Dont think of camplaining, in Malaysia 'Bolehland', most probably, the owners are politically connecetd, even if you complain, nothing will happen as the top guys will have some connections with the right minister. the best thing to do is not to enter this 'organised cheating group'

Conclusion : Don't join - there is no such thing as a free lunch. work hard and smart!

5:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think francis are right..u all say tat not good bout dchl..bt look at ur poket 1st..u hav how much money in ur poket?no money dun scold ppl la. until now u all oso folo ur boss work ma, makan gaji saja.u take it lo, makan gaji whole life lo, if dun change ur mind, u will owes b poor person.

9:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello there,..

i can't stop noticing that everyone have point to say to each other...but, from what i see it that is, there is no easy way to be succesful in life/work or anything..

we as an individual should work hard for it no matter easy or hard the situation is...
Lets take as an example, studying in university, say havard. As we know that that university is very good so the fees are higer compared to other university. Say u pay the hefty sum to study in the university, but instead in the university he/she just enjoy the life without any hard work of intending to graduate...mean although he/she pay hefty sum of money but doesnt mean he will pass with flying colour in that university..He/she have to work damn hard to do well in his studies..Even in school we have to pay for the fees before we enter but it doesn't mean we are will graduate without doing anything...
The point is, we as human must understand that anything we do in life should be paralell with the effort and chances given to us to be successful...No damn way we can achieve anything in an instance..unless ur a god or something..
even if we want to cheat somebody, still we have to work very hard to cheat them...
so this means anything we do, we have to put effort in it..its either in a good way or in bad way..
So the argument is, people kept blaming other people just because they cant be succesful in things that they do..He/she should think is how he/she could be more succesful rather than blaming how they being a failure..its funny that only people who fail in this world say a lot of stuff because actually they dont know the real way to be succesful..
We, as human should learn from failure in anything we do..because in life there will always have a balance of failure and succes..Just like the ying n yang..
any good being will have a evil side of him and any evil being will have a good side of him..this how we are all created..we are not the perfect human being, unless we think ourself as GOD..then this world will be boring, beacuse everything all too perfect..
Hehe the best part is the more people argue is beacuse they actually dont know what are they saying/doing..he/she should ask to a person who really knows what they are doing (the succesfull one) not complaining the other way around..people who want to be succesfull will always asked/listen rather complaining..
it is better to ask the correct way and do it to the fullest rather than whining to the end of the day..
the fact that people complaint is that either he/she dont know what he/she is doing, they dont want to do the right thing because we as human have ego../its in the blood as human, human will hate/envy to people who are succesfull..even criminal as envy to other criminal beacuse they do more crimes than them..So, it appears the same to anything..its just in a good way or a bad way..there is no the other way...Only yes or no..

1:40 AM  
Anonymous LIARS hater!! said...

LB members tend to cheating people
they didn't answer me when i ask..."where r we going?"...n u know the answer is..."not sure...want to see friend for a while"...totally they're lying...coz when we reached their gempak office...they explain everything that they've plan earlier...see?they said that want to see friend...dunno where to lepak....bla..bla..bla...what the hell!

3:04 AM  
Anonymous LIARS hater!! said...

to goverment servant::

be careful guys coz LB's target r U...why???

3:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pada sy, benda ni senang je..kalau nak seribu daya, taknak seribu dalih
seriously, husband sy sendiri join lb ni, and alhamdulillah...sekarang, dah mampu beli rumah teres 3 tingkat, bmw 5 series,motobike..then what prove that u want again? please positive thinking la...
dulu, husband sy pun susah, tapi dia sgt rajin...dan hasilnya, Tuhan akan tolong hambanya yg berusaha.
kepada yg anti lb, sebenarnya u all kena pk positif...tlg lah, sume bisnes dlm dunia, perlukan usaha yg gigih..
for example, kalau u all buka bisnes, then mesti ada turun naik untungnya kan?..malah ada juga yang bankrup terus, so, salah sape?..diri sendiri or bisnes tu?..
please la anti lb, if korang nak jual berger dgn modal 5k tu, then go on la..tp please dont ever blame another bisnes..wake up la!!!open ur mind..ini la dinamakan bisnes!!!!

6:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Petikan daripada http://www.m3nghua.com/its-lampe-berger-again/

Kepada manusia yg claim dia kaya tanpa LB dan jugak menentang LB..contohnya ExWAja dari blog minghua...i cuma petik jer..sila beralih dari blog blog sebegini dari masa ke semasa agar beri pendapat

" 1) Tau lar ko kaya…duit ko tu datang dari manusia jugak…LB ni sama jugak…LB haram…ko?

2) Tau lar ko kaya…sanggupkah ko kongsi kekayaan ko tu? Sanggupkah ko didik orang ramai kaya dalam cara u tu…atau u ingat u jer hero…u jer boleh dapat peluang tu..orang lain bagi duit kat u jer…LB peluangnya sama untuk setiap individu, tak kira cacat atau lemah dalam akademik..tapi LB haram…ko?

3) Kutuk LB hipokrit dan bongkak…pastu claim ko tu kaya, tak bongkak ke bang oi..LB haram..ko?

4) Orang pinjam duit nak majukan diri…gaduh dgn keluarga la kawan la..orang tak cukup duit pinjam sana sini..tak gaduh ke oi? atau u yg kaya nak sedekah kat diolang…give a fish rather than teach them how to fish….nampak tak dua dua pun gaduh…u best la..tak yah risau pasal kan dah kaya..orang lain macam mana…?"

5) U kaya U kaya U kaya…impian u dah tercapai..tapi boleh tak dalam cara u…syarat pertama nak capai impian tersebut…kena realisasikan impian lima orang lain dulu…hah…LB haram LB haram…bukankah anda sedang bunuh keinginan orang lain untuk berjaya..ko dah kaya dah settle jgn la hancurkan impian orang lain untuk kaya…LB haram…ko?

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kepada semua yg baca blog sebegini...

Dalam google, anda type lampe berger...keluarlah dalam 7-8 blog macam ni..betul tak?

Pastu anda sume baca baca dalam komen panjang panjang...ada baik ada buruk, betul tak?

Pastu conpius blur macam mana ni? Nak join ada nak lari pun ada...

Macam ni la, tuan tuan dan puan puan...satu soalan jer yang merangkumi segala blog, comment la itu la ini la berkenaan isu isu mlm..

Soalannya begini, daripada segala komen yg kita dapat, ada dua kontradiksinya iaitu setuju dan tak setuju dgn LB betul tak?

Maka ada dua jenis manusia di sini...

Orang kaya dgn masalahnya iaitu ingin mengubah pandangan orang ramai berkenaan LB, mencari downline, membina bisnes, kekurangan tidur dan kepenatan kerana selalu ke event LB agair dapat memajukan diri dan macam macam lagi...

Manusia jenis kedua adalah manusia Middle and Poor Class di sini yg memang bilangannya majoriti la katakan dgn masalahnya sentiasa tak cukup duit, kutuk periuk nasi orang lain, suka focus kepada permasalahan daripada penyelesaian, takut untuk memajukan diri, mengalah sebelum mencuba, dan macam macam lagi...

JADI, kedua-duanya pun ada masalah betul tak? DENGAN ITU, anda macam mana pun sebagai manusia kena pilih salah satu masalah daripada dua pilihan itu...

Nak masalah macam jenis ORANG KAYA??

atau

Masalah jenis ORANG SEBALIKNYA??

PILIH la tuan tuan dan puan puan sekalian...kepada yg tak nak masalah tu, takde hal...i respect segala kebebasan anda memilih, tujuan i di sini hanya nak beri pendapat.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LB is not ownership; you have no rights to anything under the legal law to claim ownership other than the stupid lampe.

LB is not a gambling opportunity; you don't get anything until you move your ass to recruit ppl unlike 4D you can sit and wait for opportunity date.

LB is not an investment company; they do not invest the money they gain and return those as dividends and you don't get your invested capital back.

Basically what I'm trying to say, if I have RM30k right now be it by loan or savings, WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO THROW THE INVESTED "CAPITAL" into something that I can't get back and with no dividends. I'll rather invest those into some shares or mutual funds.

Furthermore if I can convince other people to invest the RM30k into the business, collectively I find 5 ppl of that sort we can basically start any business industry we wanted even with higher returns and more credibility.

I mean why lose your RM30k just for an opportunity to get the high % commission from other new investors? With that 30k I can gamble an opportunity in Big Sweep or Genting. With 10 more ppl like me investing 30k each, we could get more returns in any upstart business-like. Not to mention you only get commission per recruitment.

12:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kawan aku kat headquater nak suruh aku jdi gerentor dia.. nak wat loan konon... hampir terkeluar tali pusat perut aku bila die kate nak loan rm10k.. aku tau dia tu join LEMBU BuRGER tu, x spaipun 4 bulan lgi.. aku tngok lain mcm je.. punyalah kalut.. yarabbbi... tuhan je yg tau. akupun kompius smada di nak wat loan tu nak baya ah long ke atau nak tambah koleksi LB dia tu.. ada tak sesiapa disini bole kasi tau dia nak pe ngan duit rm10k tu..? nnti aku nak kasi brainwash kepala otak dia spai bekilat..

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bodoh Betul Orang Buat Blog ni...Aku pun bukan rajin sangat kat DCHL tapi orang yang buat blog ni nampak MENTAH & KETINGGALAN ZAMAN...Cakap senang tapi the truth is there...Macam tak pernah buat kerja & Sales...Ego Je Lebih & Comment je pangang Tapi Kesemua kena tepis Francis...Ha ha ha...Budah Hingusan...Sapa kate Jual Insurans tak de recuirting?!!!!! Aku Manager kat Sebuah Syarikat Insuran No Satu Di Malaysia & Aku dapat potition Manager Pun Becoz Of Recuirting New Quality Agent...Kalau nak cari kualiti, pastikan bukan macam orang seperti kamu...

6:23 AM  
Anonymous IRfan said...

"In a basic transaction, you are the seller, and you go find your potential customers. You sell them the stuff, and they pay you for that.

And that's all.

But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd? Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines? Because the market will soon be saturated, and then who will be the customers then? The point is, the number of sellers go up and up, and soon, you won't have anyone to sell to.

So how does this makes sense?"


I agree with what you said about MLM. It really doesn't make sense.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pun nak share a little bit of story abt this DCHL...I was one of the person yang tidak berjaya diperdaya...huhuhu...in fact, My office same building dgn DCHL ni..so, mmg hari2 jumpalah semua org2 yang pathetic kat situ...adalah my fren yg giler buat loan rm30k,,semata2 nak join DCHL ni...pastu I ni adalah salah satu calon downline dia...tapi disebabkan I degil dan bodoh pada pandangan salah seorg dari lelaki yang berpangkat paling tinggi kat situ..alaaa...mamat chinese yang muda tu tapi kununnya dah ada Mercer @ AGE OF 20++..I dah tak ingat nama dia...dia paling famous lah kat situ..my fren ni siap suruh mamat tu brainwash I...bila I minta depa punya netwok marketing plan...depa tak mau bagi...kalau nak tgk depa bagi SYARAT : MESTI JOIN AT LEAST PAY RM2K...huii yooo...I cakap dan dan tu jugak..R u out of your mind??!!I have rights not to pay unless I have clear picture of what am I paying...so, depa bisik2...discuss2 sesama sendiri dan bagi kelonggaran kat I...esoknya I dijemput khas utk join depa punya event kat SUNWAY HOTEL...I remember that was 2007.KUNUNLAH...I tak yah bayar apa pun tapi sebab my fren tu konon best fren dia mamat chinese ni, dapatlah I masuk konon...nak dijadikan cerita I terjumpa rakan lama kat situ dan adik beradiknya yg baru ajer dapat kerja...budak hingusan lagi...member ni excited giler kunun cam ni cam tu...influence I supaya join cepat...sampai I tetiba jadik semcm teruja..tapi ntah napa, I tak jugak2 join2...walaupun hubby dah almost nak bagi duit...ku rasa sayang RM2K aku tuh..
6 months later...I jumpa balik my fren tu...she's an Indian...I tanyalah khabar dia sbb tgk muka serabut dan serabai mcm dlm masalah..dia pung pang pung pang citer kat I...bila I tanya khabar adiknya yg pernah wat loan RM30K semata2 nak join lampu bodoh tu...kita menangis2 citer...sambil maki seranah...depa kena tipu...masa nak suruh wat loan upline siap tolong hantar amik gi bank, tolong isi borang...almaklum, budak baru kerja setengah tahun jagung..bersih lagi dr blacklist...tak reti apa...NAIVE!..wat happened after that...approved loan..join Lampu bodoh ...tapi lepas tu dibiarkan terkapai2...dgn stock yg tak leh jual sbb tak laku...OVERPRICING...upline dah dapat komisen, memanjang bagi alasan sibuk...outstation...ke miri lah, sabah lah...tahu apa jadi kat budak naive tuh? dia terpaksa diberhentikan kerja sebab mengalami depression yang melampau...disahkan oleh pakar psikiatri dah...budak tu boleh ckp sorg2....kakak dia menangis citer kat I sambil kata...he is my only brother...my only family that I had...now, jadik begini...syn upline apa pun tak dtg tgk..not even ask his news...sebelum tu, every day boleh call n sms....I pun jadi sedih dgr...sbb masih terbayang2 di mata excitement mereka adik beradik ketika mula2 nak masuk SYN lampu bodoh tu...
masa hari tu kat sunway tu I tgklah depa reveal depa punya network plan tu...pastu..ntahlah...I still tak mo join...be it zhullian, SYN...semua suruh org buat loan kalau tader modal...tak dpt loan, buat pinjaman ngan sedara mara...tak dapat gak, (wat ngan along kot???)...tapi tak satu pun I buat...I gi samb belajar...now after 2 years...I dah nak convo, and I just started m small business @ home...the rm2k I used to bought a sewing machine...sikit2 lama2 jadi bukit...bila I dgr budak2 hingusan suruh I join this lampu bodoh ni...I tergelak ajer...most of them lepasan U..baru dapat kerja...dan yg paling sedih ada OKU jugak di situ...nasib baik I tak jadi join dchl ni...dan I still rasa sedih with my fren yg kini terpaksa sara adik lelaki dia yg satu masa dulu sihat, ceria dan waras...kini dah jadi org yang tak siuman...gara2 hutang tak terbayar...kena pulak berhenti kerja...

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seriously...
korang argue2 ni bodoh siot..
orang mcm korang ni la yg buat malaysia jadi lg lembab nk maju!
ada bende skit complain..tu complain ni complain smua nk complain2..PK DIRI KORANG TU BAGUS SANGAT KE????

da xbole buat xpyh la nk argue2...bengong..cari jalan penyelesaian la..BODOH!

kalo MLM ni haram..xbole buat..bangang..scam la..ape la..korang cube la pk..kenapa GOV MALAYSIA bagi LESEN kt company2 MLM????
maknananye benda tu boleh buat..cume korang je yg asyik tgk negatif je kenapa...bukan xda org berjaya dlm MLM..aku tgk ada je..tp kenapa korang xnk percaya???sbb MINDSET korang tu bodoh!!orang yg berjaya bende lain korang bole terima...tp kenapa x MLM???sama je..orang jugak!bukan alien ke ape ke...

korang nk makan gaji..keja ke ape ke..suke ati mak bapak korang la..yg nk pg kutuk2 budak MLM tu buatpe..diorang pon cari rezeki Halal gak..tp ble bos korang marah la..xbg gaji naik la..korang complain...tp dpt ape??xdpt ape pon...cermin diri sndiri dlu la..kalo korang da kaya raya xpe la..xsalah orang nk cari income part time...tp mindset korang tu nk pengaruh orang lain buatpa...dpt commision ke pengaruh negatif ni???kalo dapat aku pn nk buat gak la..sape leader die???

aku mmg xbuat MLM ape2 pon...tapi pikir positif la..bende kalo da haram or scam..cmfim gov kte ban terus mcm yg INTERNET SKIM smua tu...gov kte laju maa..ko ingat lembab+bodoh sangat ke gov kite ni???bangang la korang ni smua..logic xnk pk..negatif suke sgt pk..sbb tu diri sndiri pn xmaju..

ubah la mindset korang smua...aku bukan nk backup MLM ke ape..tp kalo mindset korang smua mcm ni..smpai bila pn orang malaysia x maju dan dipandang HINA...sbb ape aku kata cmni..sbb bukan mindset korang terhadap MLM...tp ble korang nye mindset start negatif..ape2 je korang buat negatif...so korang xkn maju dalam apa bidang yg korang buat...dok tutup kepala otak ko tu...ko tutup je la sorang2..yg nk pg tutup kpala otak org lain tu dpt apa??commision ke??pahala dapat ke?????bangang..korang bukan TUHAN JUGAK nk JUDGE2 orang or judge2 bende ni bole buat ke x..korang tu manusia biasa je...tuhan pon suruh orang ubah nasib sndiri...bukannya dok xda usaha tunggu nasib ubah sndiri...

so ubah la mindset korang yg bodo tu kalo ko nk tgk malaysia maju..kita ni pewaris pemerintah malaysia..tp kalo smua org mindset mcm korang..malaysia ni mmg lingkup la...kalo setakat KLCC ngn LITAR SEPANG tu korang nk kata malaysia da maju...korang banyak lg bende korang xtau psl malaysia ni..

adios :)

11:06 PM  
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12:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello..

saya just nak tanya..

apa perbezaan Friends Club (FC) dan Steven Yem Network (SYN)?
apa kaitan FC dan SYN dengan syarikat RZ Corporation?

jika saya tidak silap, SYN dah keluar dari RZ Corp dan tubuhkan One Community Wordwide Sdn Bhd kan?

boleh ceritakan apa sebenarnya FC nih? sebab saya dah baca banyak komen2 terhadap FC.

thank you. regards.

11:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proud with those word "To earn, you must learn about its great products... not just look and think about MONEY". "There will not be any beggar if MONEY can come if we "goyang kaki".

Heloo....if u guys not bullshitting ppl (by telling rewards more than the risks), so then should be more good comments posted here.

Come on la...if francis n team - ur so great....i challenge u guys....do re-union...we will attend...give us factual on SUCCESSOR vs LOSER. We posted our comments here based on our past experience.

My brother did invested RM30k from his own saving....then quit his job n join this fucking team...after 3 years, he then lost all his monies, lost his jobs....the he had to start from bottom back....now struggling to live with 2 child & unemployed wife...

Francis & team....come on...wake up man....if u guys very honest...i bet u guys....come on help this ppls....we r welcoming u to assist us....why within 3 years, did full time still not able to achieve - breakeven? Have u guys think about where these ppls struggling to get their monies? U guys going up because of these down people....so don't be too proud...one day soon u will get down....if not here - soon (life after death)....

Wake up n search through ebay....hoe many ppls trying to sell 1 litre of LB products...even lower as RM119? But no one interested. Come on...we r not stupid. A very big thanks to SY for publish this....but i'm really sick to see my brother's to earn back his normal life b4 he join LB. Very sad. If life can undo...it's good, but the fact is - it can't!

So for the rest, don't blame us on our fool. We r not going to be like that. Only God knows what happen to us. Very bad that I'm not able to stop him from join this fucking scam!

I'm really hope that this LB will be down. If not, we then know why it can't be closed...

For LB team....on earth u r great, wait until ur life after death....

12:15 AM  
Blogger shutterbabe said...

I was approached, and one thing I had noticed that no one cared to note that in order to speed up to count one had to invest RM30K above and that the members had advised the franchisees to use credit card or loan applications. Remember Credit Card Debit is always bad debt. I told it was good debt. What low down con men from LB.

9:49 PM  

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