We have seen too much trouble caused by DCHL distributing Lampe Berger in Malaysia. It's time to hit back at this unethical MLM network marketing business pyramid plan.
Hate Mail from DCHL Lampe Berger member
I get lots of mails...some siding with the blog, some of course not.
And there's also a reason why I keep getting these hate mails. I know Search Engine Optimization, and have used it to the fullest to capture keywords that are being used to find information on lampe berger.
For example, search "dchl" in google. This site comes up on the first page. Or try searching for "Lampe Berger" in yahoo. Previously, searching for yahoo will also show sponsored ads on the right bar. But I believe that since my blog keep appearing on the first page, advertisers lost interest.
Noticed that the title has "DCHL Lampe Berger" as the title and also URL? I am still getting traffic via search engines, even though I seldom blogged as this is not my priority anymore. Average traffic per day is around 100 unique visitors. Mainly from Malaysia.
Note that this is legal for SEO. I did nothing but natural blogging while targeting a set of keywords to play around with.
So lampe berger guys....you are fucked. Don't mess with a geek.
my, my,my, what a big hate that i can see around your blog......... let me ask you something man are you the one that have enter the lampe berger plan and fail and then you said that are their problem....well let me ask you something man... is there any one that sucess around there? i guess your answer will be yes.. so why the hate anymore? are you jelous that people are at the top and you are not? come on man keep it up yeah right coz soon or later people will realise that action are actually louder than words. coz right now all you got right now are words only and nothing to prove it.. yeah i do believe there are a few news paper than mention something about the mlm.... but do they mention about the company? or given any specific company that did the bad things lake cheating someone money? yes there is but not lampe berger!!!! i think you are the loser man you are really man ......... it's not good that we said someone back so come let come face to face and then i'll tel ya what is right and what is wrong coz right now you just seem like you are at the top of the worlds but actually are just at the most bottom of the society so why all the hate instead we could build up together and make malaysia the best in the worlds it is because of people like that make malaysia the worst part to be in .......... as i can see you are not the best coz you cant even show us the full face of us....... you are nothing but a big loser in town..... if malaysia have less type of people like you then i think malaysia will be at the top right now so buzz off and fuck off and take a look at your fucking faces man this message goes to the fucking idiot steven yip that have no fucking brain and there only pig brain in his fucking head............... so fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of manWhy am I posting this? Because it reminded me the last time I used f**k in my posting Fuck Lampe Berger. And also why I used it.
Vincent Tse
And there's also a reason why I keep getting these hate mails. I know Search Engine Optimization, and have used it to the fullest to capture keywords that are being used to find information on lampe berger.
For example, search "dchl" in google. This site comes up on the first page. Or try searching for "Lampe Berger" in yahoo. Previously, searching for yahoo will also show sponsored ads on the right bar. But I believe that since my blog keep appearing on the first page, advertisers lost interest.
Noticed that the title has "DCHL Lampe Berger" as the title and also URL? I am still getting traffic via search engines, even though I seldom blogged as this is not my priority anymore. Average traffic per day is around 100 unique visitors. Mainly from Malaysia.
Note that this is legal for SEO. I did nothing but natural blogging while targeting a set of keywords to play around with.
So lampe berger guys....you are fucked. Don't mess with a geek.
posted by Steven Yip at 10:24 PM
20 Comments:
LOL,that fella never go to skool issit? Never heard of full stop geh? I read till breathless because I forgot to pause as there are no fullstop.
why everytime they asked about your photo of half face you never answer them?
i am not that good looking...that's why the half photo...:)
GOOD JOB!
EXCELLENT!
BRAVO!
lilian,
lolz... hahah...forgot to pause cause no full stop... hahaha...
how about quest net? simmilar to LB??
ya.. LB were bad... i can say that i actually love the products from LB, but not the price and the people... my mom used to buy for me.. makes my room smell nice~ and also the Estebel cleanser not bad.... but the price dam kau expensive.. like robbing a kids lollipop oni..
Dear Steven Yip,
I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?
I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)
Definition
Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.
1.DCHL
DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.
To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.
So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?
2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?
Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.
So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?
As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.
All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).
3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..
While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?
Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!
There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?
Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.
While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.
4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?
While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-
-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.
-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.
I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!
5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?
As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.
That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?
When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.
An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?
No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?
While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.
6.In conclusion
As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.
Cheers :)
A DCHL/SYN member
Dear Steven Yip,
I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?
I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)
Definition
Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.
1.DCHL
DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.
To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.
So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?
2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?
Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.
So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?
As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.
All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).
3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..
While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?
Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!
There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?
Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.
While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.
4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?
While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-
-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.
-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.
I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!
5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?
As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.
That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?
When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.
An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?
No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?
While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.
6.In conclusion
As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.
Cheers :)
A DCHL/SYN member
FRANCIS: STOP BULLSHITTING HERE OK? GO and SMELL STEVEN YEAM @$$!
It's the bot Francis again....making joke himself again...
hey francis,
do u think people read all your bluffing statement. i know u r a count n because u scared no more downline under you, u lost all ur income! don't make statement like u have master in accountancy and make other believe 'hey, why not we try to join this lampe berger?'
bull shit.. but me?.. as a smart criticizer i read all ur bull shit statement because i know i need to educated people out there not even trapped to this lampe berger (not all mlm company, coz fews mlm company is doing in the right way)
ur statement :
An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.
my answer:
what do u mean by investment?
investment is broad definition in the account term. investment can be a short term investment, long term depend on ur capable to handle the risk!
by did an investment in the share market , we are not losing shares and money at the same time! what the hell if u mean we r losing both??... this fact only for the stupid downline under you!
we losing shares if we tend to sell the shares in the market price.and of course by selling the shares we are received the money and plus we received the capital gain (if we buy in the lower price and sell in the higher price) but we r losing the shares.
more
we will lose money if we tend to buy shares in the lower price in respect we can sell them in the higher price. but in return we have the shares in our hand. with the shares we received dividend by the company every year or quarterly depends to the company.
so my order to you is cut up ur fingers to comment to this blog and shut up ur mouth talking to ur 'prospek'n open widely ur eyes to read acountancy book~
hey francis...don't think u look good just because u use the english literature~lol
ready to fight~in the name of justice!
Many people still enjoy joining dchl. There is no end of crying.
Francis: U know why Steven Yeam comes to Malaysia? Bcos LB is already BANNED in Hong Kong! So,he come to Malaysia to find his rice bowl.
And Francis,u r his slave only.Wake Up before is too late.
all you cocksuckers LB shitheads can shut your hole..you know deep down that your business is a piece of scam, nothng more nothing less.
LB is suck... my frens just been cheated by them.. so guys out there pls be careful... better find a good job out there... just imagine if all ppl in malaysia doing this kind of fucking job.. i think u will die lar.. no more ppl buang sampah for you.. no more super market etc....
dear steven...ur the man dude, i suggest u better subscribe some google ads and increase ur page rank...besides u dont have to waste money belanja teh tarik and everything for ur prospect, and dont have to spend time go meeting ppl....just sit back and relax.. end of the month.. GOOGLE ADS PWNED LB BIG TIME.. and its in USD oi!
This guy.. 100% brainwashed until damn clean.. funny..
hahaha..
Just Get a job, get experience.. don't be lazy and want earn fast money..
heard u all saying tat be your own boss as lampa berger my ass..
You just making those lazy upline rich and let them do nothing..
All the thing you do for lampe berger are making more ppl hate you, you lost friends and trust.
You are lucky they didn't brainwash you to jump off from building..
Good day everyone.
I have done my fair share of investigation on MLM and i can say that i KNOW how they work and why they work. these are some of the facts that i can share with you:
1. The MLM company is a scam if payments for the uplines are generated from money paid by people entering into the business, not from the profits obtained from the selling of products.
2. the emphasis is on recruiting people, they don't explain much about their products. in SYN / DCHL the Lam berger and estebelle products are the 'device' used to show that they are selling something, but the money is from people joining the busisness.
3. They need to show they are selling something, if not they will be classified as 'pyramid scheme'. THEY ARE PYRAMID SCHEME, but by giving you some products, they gain the legal loophole to say they are doing it legally.
4. A legal marketing plan is a plan that doesn pay you money if you are not working, you get paid if you work. For example, if you are an AMWAY member, you dont get any money if you dont do anything, even if under you there are diamonds and crowns. you need to work to get paid, thats a legal MLM company. in DCHL, all you have to do is 'invest' 30K, get some young naive ones to invest under you, manipulate them to recruit more people, sit back and see the money rolling in.
DCHL/SUN marketing plan is not legal, the products are legal, they are misusing the products.
4. They will always have some expensive looking office to show their credibilty - if you visit their office in wisma HLA, it's GRAND, they even have a spa there with all of the french painting, just to show you THEY are high end company, it is all just 'impressions'. even to enter the spa, you must wait for your turn, clever - it shows 'exclusiveness'.
5. Dont think of camplaining, in Malaysia 'Bolehland', most probably, the owners are politically connecetd, even if you complain, nothing will happen as the top guys will have some connections with the right minister. the best thing to do is not to enter this 'organised cheating group'
Conclusion : Don't join - there is no such thing as a free lunch. work hard and smart!
haloo......
kawan aku kat headquater nak suruh aku jdi gerentor dia.. nak wat loan konon... hampir terkeluar tali pusat perut aku bila die kate nak loan rm10k.. aku tau dia tu join LEMBU BuRGER tu, x spaipun 4 bulan lgi.. aku tngok lain mcm je.. punyalah kalut.. yarabbbi... tuhan je yg tau. akupun kompius smada di nak wat loan tu nak baya ah long ke atau nak tambah koleksi LB dia tu.. ada tak sesiapa disini bole kasi tau dia nak pe ngan duit rm10k tu..? nnti aku nak kasi brainwash kepala otak dia spai bekilat..
Hi Everyone,
First of all, I am neither an LB fan or anti LB dude... Matter infact, I asked all of my friends not to fall for this "too good to be true scheme" and take responsibility if they do and DO NOT complain after doing so...
I.E. everyone has their right to choose their own path...
I only say what I must say base on my personal opinions, and without any prejudices...
From my stand point, LB, scam or no scam, isn't the only one to be blamed...
Most of the members are very young, plus if they are not greedy, it's almost impossible to fall for this scheme...
It's true that not everyone have the opportunity to get a high cert, or business minded, or comes from a millionaire background etc, infact most of the citizens are moderate, poor, or trying to prove that they are capable of earning high incomes...
So those who are blinded, greedy, etc, falls for schemes like E-Mall, LB, Quest Net, etc, you name it...
My point is...
If LB is so great and promising, why does anyone even bother to get a degree, qualification, etc? Why not just join LB?
To me, it is not bullshit... 1 out of a million might do it... So, 1 successful = LB top guy, 999999 losers = citizens...
2ndly, it's true that this scheme is called "Investing"...
In terms of low risk, good returns, etc...
But I must first apologize for my ignorance to marketting world of how it works?
If the proposal is so good? Almost flawless, I trust the National Bank will be the first one to approve such loan...
Or... Get a rich man to invest 1 million, instead of getting 1 million citizens to invest 1 ringgit.
Why LB wanted to get money from the citizens? Perhaps, Bank are smart enough and not fall for the lose-lose scheme.
Again, to me, I insist, it is not only LB's fault...
Sometimes I understand by seeing your friends investing 2k for example, and get maybe 3k in return with some efforts, humans tend to be greedy...
Why not invest 2 million? and get 3 million in return then?
That is how in my opinion, lots of people got con and started signing up...
Put it this way, if you join early, you will get promising returns, simply to pull future investors in... BUT, long run?
The profits you are making, are the hard earn money of your friends, covering up debts after debts...
1. Are you only worth 2k? maybe 33k etc, that you can sell yourself, betray your friends, lose everyone's trust etc?
2. Say you manage to earn your very first 1k, and 5 of your friends join = 20k to LB, in order for you to earn just ONE thousand, is it ok if the people around you lose TWENTY thousand?
The people who BELIEVES in you, else I trust they won't join in the first place...
3. A dime is a dime, a dollar is a dollar you say? And for some of you out there, it's ok as long as you can earn your piece of the cake... But please think of the long run... Who are the ones really responsible fueling LB? The ones who joined and wished to make a small profit, and since others, scammers, whatever you call them, sees this a money making opportunity, LC, LD, LE, LF blah blah blah, will soon emerge... And more people will suffer...
Hope you get my point, and if anyone disagree, I always wanted to listen to others opinion...
5xmom.com; I agree with what you are saying, Vincent Tse really didn't go to school... Else he will indeed know when to use a full-stop. Vincent Tse, I hope you agrees with me. Please go back to kindergarden.
Thank you.
francis; In order to be fair, I read through your post and find it... very childish, naive, stupid, and unbelievable. You are talking to adults, to the real world here. Your post sounds like a kid talking trying to convince a 2 years old kid. I doubt the 2 year old kid will buy what you are saying anyway...
Hope I did not offend you, and if I did, I apologize...
Thanks.
Conclusion, thanks for reading, *muaks, *throw flowers, *flying kisses, etc...
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