Steven Yeam did what?

Oh yeah...I almost puked when I saw his face with Winnie Lim again on the front page of The Star. He had used his PR muscle to show to malaysians how "generous" is his SYN network is.

Ever wonder how many lifes have been wrecked by this scam? My mail box is overflowing with ex LB members wanting to get out, or get refund. They are now in deep shit, owning tons of cash.

Actually, I've decided to go on with my life, and not update the blog. But somehow, there will always be people who gets cheated from time to time. And their business is still on going, even though I've had this blog for years.

If you want to get cheated in this money game, you are pleased to do so.

And please, read the articles & comments in this blog to really know what is wrong with this biz.

Counter Argument by Lampe Berger Member

Francis, who is in DCHL wrote a lengty comment. To be fair, I posted it here:

Dear Steven Yip,

I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition
Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?



2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?

Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!

There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?

Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.

While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.
-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?


As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?

No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?

While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.

6.In conclusion

As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.

Cheers :)

A DCHL/SYN member

I won't go on arguing all the points, but only one:

If it's a network marketing company and not recruiting, how come the culture of people in there reflects otherwise? You see, the problem is, the incentive provided by DCHL is allowing people to jump the rank queue by buying your position up. As for the uplines, they know if a new member joins, they will earn their part. And somehow, the uplines can earn even more if the newly joined member fork up more cash to buy baron or count.

DCHL of course, will protect themselves legally with a bunch of well written contracts. Legally, the network members themselves are in the losing end. Most of them don't read it fully, or are not aware of them.

The best example is mine. My brother joined in as franchise by paying 2k plus. I was thinking...alrite...it's a bit expensive, although I totally disagree. Then he somehow wanted to pay 30k for count position. This is where you are pulling more than an arm and a leg from the member. You are creating social discord between friends, families and relatives. In the end he got 30k from my dad's KWSP money. Let me tell you one thing, my dad worked 10 hard years in a factory for that retirement fund. And now it all ended up in DCHL lampe berger. And to this date, my brother has quit (without a single sale). The point I want to show here is, there's a culture of pushing people to jump queue.

There's more stories, if you browse this blog.

And I want to touch on one aspect that keeps me wondering why MLM is such a flawed concept.

In a basic transaction, you are the seller, and you go find your potential customers. You sell them the stuff, and they pay you for that.

And that's all.

But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd? Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines? Because the market will soon be saturated, and then who will be the customers then? The point is, the number of sellers go up and up, and soon, you won't have anyone to sell to.

So how does this makes sense?

It does spells fast growth for the company sales, but suicidal to be a network member (if you are at the lowest). You can't be selling stuff among yourselves, do you?

Hate Mail from DCHL Lampe Berger member

I get lots of mails...some siding with the blog, some of course not.

my, my,my, what a big hate that i can see around your blog......... let me ask you something man are you the one that have enter the lampe berger plan and fail and then you said that are their problem....well let me ask you something man... is there any one that sucess around there? i guess your answer will be yes.. so why the hate anymore? are you jelous that people are at the top and you are not? come on man keep it up yeah right coz soon or later people will realise that action are actually louder than words. coz right now all you got right now are words only and nothing to prove it.. yeah i do believe there are a few news paper than mention something about the mlm.... but do they mention about the company? or given any specific company that did the bad things lake cheating someone money? yes there is but not lampe berger!!!! i think you are the loser man you are really man ......... it's not good that we said someone back so come let come face to face and then i'll tel ya what is right and what is wrong coz right now you just seem like you are at the top of the worlds but actually are just at the most bottom of the society so why all the hate instead we could build up together and make malaysia the best in the worlds it is because of people like that make malaysia the worst part to be in .......... as i can see you are not the best coz you cant even show us the full face of us....... you are nothing but a big loser in town..... if malaysia have less type of people like you then i think malaysia will be at the top right now so buzz off and fuck off and take a look at your fucking faces man this message goes to the fucking idiot steven yip that have no fucking brain and there only pig brain in his fucking head............... so fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of man

Vincent Tse

Why am I posting this? Because it reminded me the last time I used f**k in my posting Fuck Lampe Berger. And also why I used it.

And there's also a reason why I keep getting these hate mails. I know Search Engine Optimization, and have used it to the fullest to capture keywords that are being used to find information on lampe berger.

For example, search "dchl" in google. This site comes up on the first page. Or try searching for "Lampe Berger" in yahoo. Previously, searching for yahoo will also show sponsored ads on the right bar. But I believe that since my blog keep appearing on the first page, advertisers lost interest.

Noticed that the title has "DCHL Lampe Berger" as the title and also URL? I am still getting traffic via search engines, even though I seldom blogged as this is not my priority anymore. Average traffic per day is around 100 unique visitors. Mainly from Malaysia.

Note that this is legal for SEO. I did nothing but natural blogging while targeting a set of keywords to play around with.

So lampe berger guys....you are fucked. Don't mess with a geek.

Is MLM business Halal?

I got this from an anonymous comment.

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Hi,

This post is for the muslims who wants to know whether this type of MLM is Halal or not. I take this from Fikrah Doktor Salam section from Harian Metro News Paper.

Q: SAYA dipelawa untuk menyertai aktiviti perniagaan pemasaran pelbagai peringkat atau multi level marketing (MLM) di sebuah syarikat dengan keuntungan yang dijanjikan berlipat kali ganda.

Justeru, saya ke syarikat berkenaan untuk melihat sendiri pelan pemasaran yang dijalankan itu. Hati saya tertarik tapi masih ragu-ragu sama ada perniagaan MLM itu halal atau tidak di sisi Islam.


Ini kerana sekiranya ada peserta di bawah saya atau downline, saya akan mendapat keuntungan yang dijanjikan itu, tetapi jika tiada, saya tidak akan mendapat apa-apa. Adilkah perniagaan seperti itu di sisi Islam?

SUZIAH,
Kuala Lumpur

A: PERNIAGAAN MLM seperti di atas bukan bertujuan untuk perniagaan (menjual barangan dan sebagainya) tetapi hanya mencari downline semata-mata tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam.

Ini kerana tujuan sebenarnya MLM adalah supaya barangan dapat dijual secara terus daripada pengusaha atau pengilang kepada pelanggan dengan harga yang murah kerana tidak membabitkan orang tengah (peruncit).

Mencari downline semata-mata hanya menguntungkan syarikat terbabit kerana mereka mendapat yuran keahlian dan seumpamanya. Anda dibayar apabila downline berkembang. Ia adalah sistem piramid (skim Pak Man Telo) yang menyalahi undang-undang dan bukan MLM yang sebenarnya.

Dr Abdul Salam Muhammad Shukri
Penolong Profesor Kulliyah Ilmu Wahyu dan Sains Kemanusiaan, Universiti Islam Antarabangsa Malaysia

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This is my opinion. If there's non muslims who already studied the way MLM works and mention that there's something wrong with it, muslims would need to take heed on whether this is legal.

Another Member Quits DCHL Lampe Berger (part 2)

Here's the 2nd part to the email. While I cannot say that all Lampe Berger members do business this way, but I think majority of them do. This is how network works. Uplines will teach downlines how to start getting more people in. And this blog is not owned by SYN or SGN.

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Regarding the last post, actually I am not sure whether it's good to post that or not.I was very angry with them because they wanted to delay the payment for the 2nd time.Thank God I have received my refund (RM18k) after threatening them that I am going to report to DCHL and police if I don't get my money back ASAP.

In Islam also it is not good even it is a sin to hate each other.I don't mean to treat them as my enemy but they really made me mad. I think I have responsible to share my experience to others.I followed their activities non-stop about 2 months and understand enough their tactics.
I need to clarify why I said I have been cheated.

I went to the seminar in DCHL and the Marquis said invest 33k and if we refund within six month we can get back 90%.Actually a good MLM is one which is affordable by most people. (But of course you have to look also the other criteria.)And they also said that LB is a low risk business. But it is not. They did not tell me that the 33k will include about RM10k non-refundable product. I invested in really 'kelam kabut' situation because could not wait to get started. I was influenced by their friendly and supportive group and I really believed in my friend. They did say when we decide to invest 33k never look back but remember God has the power to change people's mind. In my case, I was too excited to get started and did not think that I would quit but when I felt something is wrong I had to make decision to quit.When invest, I asked my upline to choose the products for me, and did not expect the non-refundable products cost about RM10k.I told them that I wanted to try the anti-acerian but did not expect they will include up to 8 sets! They said that if I take anti-acarien less I have to pay more.Since I didn't want to pay more I just agreed without thinking the risk that I am going to face if I quit. I was too excited that I could not think carefully at that time. In the training they asked me to love the product and try them. And I tried lots of the products which cost about RM5k.Actually I was influenced by them which encouraged me to invest without thinking carefully. I have to admit that it was my fault not to think carefully.I assume this as my 'pengalaman hidup' and a lesson for me.

Why I quit?They maybe will tell people I quit because I gave up but actually just before I made decision to refund I managed to warm up 2 friends and I was very sure they will join but I quit before I bring them to the office. I quit because I felt uneasy with their activities and not sure whether the biz is 'halal' or not. I just can't imagine how my downlines will get mad at me if they are not able to get money from the biz which could break our friendship.So I'd better stop. I don't want to ruin my friendship with others.

Why I say it is not advisable for muslim to join LB?First-they teach people to lie. When we invest for count we will get rebate about RM2k and they taught me to tell people that the RM2k is my first income.Second- they encourage members to join the tea party usually at night about 9-10 pm. Where in Islam it is not good for women to hang out mixed with guys at night.At the tea party they will talk about the biz and show off that some of them have quited their job and make much money with LB to influence others who haven't joined.Third- There are other activities which I felt not comfortable with where they encourage the audience to scream, sing and dance to burn the 'semangat' in ourselves and to influence others.
Before joining them I searched the internet and found this blog and felt afraid to join LB, but since I believe in my friend I ignored this blog. When I told themabout this blog they said that they are failure people and don't follow them plus the blog owned by SYN not SGN.
People who are engrossed in the biz won't realize something is wrong in that biz because they are happy getting lots of money, but the ones who make decision to refundwill understand the deceptions in this business.

For those who are thinking to join, it's up to you to join or not, but make sure you think carefully and don't join to follow and believe your friend.Make sure you understand and read the company policy.The members will tell you that you are going to make lots of money if you join them but you have to work very hard. Imagine you come back from work, you are tired then you have to join their training @ tea party. When I joined their activities I usually went back home at about 11-12 midnight and the next day I have to wake up early and go to work again. Usually if I came back home late at night they next day I always got drowsy at office and neglect my job. Just imagine how tired I was. I also had to neglect my time with my baby. I went to work while my baby was still sleeping and when I came back from their activities my baby already slept. You also have to contact your friends just to give them clue that you are doing a good biz and hoping they will join you. I am just sharing my experience, it's up to you to join or not, if you think you will love their activities, pls proceed.

DCHL lampe berger business still growing

Based on my sources, this DCHL is still enjoying good growth. Currently I am not actively updating this blog. I know, a blog can only reach those who have online access. There's a majority who still don't have internet access. Their main source of news are the mainstream newspapers, where most of the stuff are filtered before published.

While feeling a bit sadden that this business is still attracting people, I have to face the fact that this is not a perfect world, where everyone thinks the same. Some like short cuts. Some like to analyze first. No one has perfect knowledge of something beforehand.

So lampe berger guys, you still can party on, but money don't fall from the sky. And no business can sustain itself on deception.

Another Member Quits DCHL Lampe Berger

Hey Steven!

I am Liya. A malay, Muslim who has been cheated and annoyed by my 'good friend'.

Are you updating your antiLB blog?
Pls keep it up.
I am one of the member and will lost half of RM33k. I hope I can get back the half by this month.
I havent got the money yet, I gave them chance but now they are asking me to give them chance again.
They said they want to buy my account to help me not to 'rugi' so much, but I know they afraid they will lost PV if they refund my products. My upline is a Marquis challenger and I know she really needs the PV.
They cant give me the money before I go back to Malaysia to change the account name.
FYI, I am in Japan now.
My goodness I dont know what to say.
They were my good friends.
For your info, I was in another group, not SYN.
You know about it right?


To those who are active in LB and read this msg, from my experience LB is a SCAM.
SYN or Steady Global Network , sama saja..boleh blah and penipu. Selffish!!
I did not refund because I couldnt get any dlines, I could have if I want but I made decision to refund
before my friends join me..I could smell something wrong with the biz, I believe it is not a halal biz for muslims.

I will tell you the whole story when I have time. Pls publish this.


Thanks.

Government Supported Scam

I received an email from Dennis, who wrote a lengthy email on the subject. Now the government so far has not done any investigation on DCHL despite the media coverage and complaints done.
But it's a good thing they done away with all those internet investment schemes.

Yesterday i went over to DCHL company after a few persuasion by a girl
friend of mine. I had actually planned to dabble around with secondary
objective to have a first person view at their battle ground.

Impressively, the firm has invested nearly 11 million on 4 floors presenting
a luxurious and creditable image to stranger like me. With all those
inducement of their century health care product namely lampe
berger,estebel,EB etc as well as their promise of opening new branches at
Japan and Korea in near future was clearly enticing enough to dupe people
with weak inhibition.

The official(my friend's senior) does the talking instead of my friend. That
explain much why my friend is reluctant to let me know the way their
business work at the mamak store and insist me to have a ground view. My
friend clearly doesn't have the sufficient knowledge on how DCHL or rather
SYN works therefore I presume that's when the offical came in to talk with
me. It's so freaky when every official my friend introduced to me , talks to
me like they know me aka super friendly.

I'm a law student and conscious about what's going on in Malaysia especially
the political scene. Our Prime Minister Pak Lah has given DCHL a 2 year
national recognition for having the best health(correct me if I'm
wrong)product .Oblivious to a lay person, in Malaysia its a nation where
money speaks louder than words. It's a norm to bribe the government in
return for their unduly support such as a piece of pathetic certificate.
Similar with datukship.

I talked to an offical named Maggie whose originated from Guang Zhou. She's
keen on telling me a whole bunch of her luxurious story life in DCHL which I
found unfascinating and irks me the most instead of the business plan. I
told her please go straight to the point,how does this business work as I
really had enough of their smooth talking.

Maggie compared their scheme with those sms where you're required to forward
to few friends and the company basically earn money everytime the sms is
forwarded. She say that's how their system work and it's contemporary
business plan where middle agent makes the most money out of a transaction.
I blatantly dissent and boldly refute, "Isn't that scamming?" She went into
silent but later divert me into irrelevant topic such as those rich fantasy
dream that entails,again.

Maggie having a tough time persuading me that's when another official
intervene. As expectedly, all of them speak the same language. Sweet talking
and daydreaming. Fast car and hot chick.

In a nutshell, DCHL is a government supported scamming company which uses
the franchised product as a disguise. They doesn't really promote the
product much but more to their new business plan aka SYN.

I'm in utter livid mode right now for I failed to dissuade my friend from
joining DCHL.

Dennis

There's a few setbacks if you really want to investigate DCHL Lampe Berger. The reason is they are playing by the law. Their business, are legal, although there's loopholes. Whatever wrong done in the business is always the network (people's fault). That's unwritten. In fact their code of conduct prohibits the network from doing all this.

But like from the start of this blog, I have been highlighting why I think Lampe Berger is the most dangerous scam compared to other MLM. It's because you can BUY your position up. And it's not cheap. Count position can be 30k over. Baron can be 10k plus. And since the network keep on pestering the new guys with high hopes to upgrade, they finally fall into that trap.

Greed makes people jumping in. Blinded? yes. Same thing goes with KLSE now. Everyone is jumping into it.

But give a thought about it. What is the VALUE in the economy chain when you keep on recruiting people in, forcing or pestering them to buy higher position? There's zero value in it. Now how could a zero value contribution to the economy makes someone a millionaire? Impossible is the answer.