Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Counter Argument by Lampe Berger Member

Francis, who is in DCHL wrote a lengty comment. To be fair, I posted it here:

Dear Steven Yip,

I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.


DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?

Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!

There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?

Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.

While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.
-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?

As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?

No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?

While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.

6.In conclusion

As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.

Cheers :)

A DCHL/SYN member

I won't go on arguing all the points, but only one:

If it's a network marketing company and not recruiting, how come the culture of people in there reflects otherwise? You see, the problem is, the incentive provided by DCHL is allowing people to jump the rank queue by buying your position up. As for the uplines, they know if a new member joins, they will earn their part. And somehow, the uplines can earn even more if the newly joined member fork up more cash to buy baron or count.

DCHL of course, will protect themselves legally with a bunch of well written contracts. Legally, the network members themselves are in the losing end. Most of them don't read it fully, or are not aware of them.

The best example is mine. My brother joined in as franchise by paying 2k plus. I was thinking...alrite...it's a bit expensive, although I totally disagree. Then he somehow wanted to pay 30k for count position. This is where you are pulling more than an arm and a leg from the member. You are creating social discord between friends, families and relatives. In the end he got 30k from my dad's KWSP money. Let me tell you one thing, my dad worked 10 hard years in a factory for that retirement fund. And now it all ended up in DCHL lampe berger. And to this date, my brother has quit (without a single sale). The point I want to show here is, there's a culture of pushing people to jump queue.

There's more stories, if you browse this blog.

And I want to touch on one aspect that keeps me wondering why MLM is such a flawed concept.

In a basic transaction, you are the seller, and you go find your potential customers. You sell them the stuff, and they pay you for that.

And that's all.

But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd? Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines? Because the market will soon be saturated, and then who will be the customers then? The point is, the number of sellers go up and up, and soon, you won't have anyone to sell to.

So how does this makes sense?

It does spells fast growth for the company sales, but suicidal to be a network member (if you are at the lowest). You can't be selling stuff among yourselves, do you?

Saturday, September 01, 2007

Hate Mail from DCHL Lampe Berger member

I get lots of mails...some siding with the blog, some of course not.

my, my,my, what a big hate that i can see around your blog......... let me ask you something man are you the one that have enter the lampe berger plan and fail and then you said that are their problem....well let me ask you something man... is there any one that sucess around there? i guess your answer will be yes.. so why the hate anymore? are you jelous that people are at the top and you are not? come on man keep it up yeah right coz soon or later people will realise that action are actually louder than words. coz right now all you got right now are words only and nothing to prove it.. yeah i do believe there are a few news paper than mention something about the mlm.... but do they mention about the company? or given any specific company that did the bad things lake cheating someone money? yes there is but not lampe berger!!!! i think you are the loser man you are really man ......... it's not good that we said someone back so come let come face to face and then i'll tel ya what is right and what is wrong coz right now you just seem like you are at the top of the worlds but actually are just at the most bottom of the society so why all the hate instead we could build up together and make malaysia the best in the worlds it is because of people like that make malaysia the worst part to be in .......... as i can see you are not the best coz you cant even show us the full face of us....... you are nothing but a big loser in town..... if malaysia have less type of people like you then i think malaysia will be at the top right now so buzz off and fuck off and take a look at your fucking faces man this message goes to the fucking idiot steven yip that have no fucking brain and there only pig brain in his fucking head............... so fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of man

Vincent Tse

Why am I posting this? Because it reminded me the last time I used f**k in my posting Fuck Lampe Berger. And also why I used it.

And there's also a reason why I keep getting these hate mails. I know Search Engine Optimization, and have used it to the fullest to capture keywords that are being used to find information on lampe berger.

For example, search "dchl" in google. This site comes up on the first page. Or try searching for "Lampe Berger" in yahoo. Previously, searching for yahoo will also show sponsored ads on the right bar. But I believe that since my blog keep appearing on the first page, advertisers lost interest.

Noticed that the title has "DCHL Lampe Berger" as the title and also URL? I am still getting traffic via search engines, even though I seldom blogged as this is not my priority anymore. Average traffic per day is around 100 unique visitors. Mainly from Malaysia.

Note that this is legal for SEO. I did nothing but natural blogging while targeting a set of keywords to play around with.

So lampe berger guys....you are fucked. Don't mess with a geek.